Wow... That's some Sherlock Holmes stuff ☺
Thanks for the insight.
J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VI
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Thanks for the insight.
That's why I like sometimes knowing an aircraft's serial number more than having a nice image alone.
That's why I like sometimes knowing an aircraft's serial number more than having a nice image alone.
and thanks for your interpretation!
after 2002 changing to 2004??? I really don't trust anything, except actual observed numbered aircraft! this numbering system certainly seems designed to obfuscate and confuse actual numbers.
somewhere around 20 would be actual number of flying aircraft?? Yes???
There's a bunch of media claiming that Chengdu is having difficulty pumping out the J-20s. So watching production counts is importanted. Mixed regiments also suggests production difficulties. For the J-20 to be a really decisive weapon, it'd need to be produced in sufficient quantities, something we've yet to see.
manqiangrexue
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Can you link the source to those claims?
manqiangrexue
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It did. It also said,
"Andrei Chang pointed out in the Kanwa Defence Review article that the J-20’s hull would need to be retrofitted to accommodate the bigger thrust-weight ratio of the Emei engine."
The HULL has to be changed to accommodate an engine TWR change...
AssassinsMace
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Asia Times and SCMP aren't China friendly so naturally their stories are going to slant negative. I'm sure the people who run them think like some members in here that they provide an intellectual balance when it's just people who get off playing the pride police.
The fact is the Westernized critics from wherever they come from try to follow the US culture of doing things to make conclusions on China. Since China moves at such a fast pace, delays aren't maybe because of some impasse but because of some upgraded or new technology coming soon that can be integrated. I remember reading a slew of comments claiming the FC-1 was a failed design because of the change to DSI inlets. In the US they would probably go through an entire series production run before adding new upgrades that happen to surface during that time onto the next variant. Not surprising that the critics try to portray China as so desperate that they forgot something important and it halts production. It's like when the J-20 first flew, there were people who charged the landing gear was fixed and the Chinese forget to make it retractable.
Then they contradict themselves when their way of doings things doesn't serve their narrative. Look at the rail gun news where China was able to put one on a ship before the US. If you go by the US way of doing things, that would mean China is far ahead of the US if you follow their projected process. So because they don't want to believe China is ahead, one of the first news articles reporting this claims that China has never even fired a shot and this will be a first totally upending the narrative pacing China through the lens of how they do it.
The fact is the Westernized critics from wherever they come from try to follow the US culture of doing things to make conclusions on China. Since China moves at such a fast pace, delays aren't maybe because of some impasse but because of some upgraded or new technology coming soon that can be integrated. I remember reading a slew of comments claiming the FC-1 was a failed design because of the change to DSI inlets. In the US they would probably go through an entire series production run before adding new upgrades that happen to surface during that time onto the next variant. Not surprising that the critics try to portray China as so desperate that they forgot something important and it halts production. It's like when the J-20 first flew, there were people who charged the landing gear was fixed and the Chinese forget to make it retractable.
Then they contradict themselves when their way of doings things doesn't serve their narrative. Look at the rail gun news where China was able to put one on a ship before the US. If you go by the US way of doing things, that would mean China is far ahead of the US if you follow their projected process. So because they don't want to believe China is ahead, one of the first news articles reporting this claims that China has never even fired a shot and this will be a first totally upending the narrative pacing China through the lens of how they do it.
Exactly so, the Chinese nor the Russians have been open about what their difficulties really are, yet we here in the US are daily reminded with 20 little "gotcha exposes" per week about the sins and deficiencies of the F-35,,,, oh and don't forget how evil LOCKMART is!
I will say it once again, Fifth Generation technology is difficult and expensive, the end product is going to be less airplane than you are aiming for,, it will have issues, it will require lots of smarts and lots of money, to iron the kinks out and come up with a working fighter aircraft,,, only Lockheed seems to have the brains and deep pockets to accomplish that here in the West!
Chengdu and Suhkoi are never going to be blessed with the independence and money to sort it all out, though as an admirer of Chengdu and Sukhoi they are trying! and each of them have come up with a very nice first generation stealth fighter with LOTs of promise.
both the J-20, J-31, and Su-57 have a great deal of potential, but they each have a crowd, (as we do here in the West), that doubt the efficacy of the 5th Generation Fighter Aircraft,,, and yes they ARE Expensive!
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