J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VI
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Game changer right thar babe!
I wonder when the Indian Air Force could start operating the Su-57s. Japan already operates a few F-35s. By the way, do you happened to know roughly how many Taiwanese F-16Vs (I mean upgraded F-16A/B with AESAs) are combat ready? Anyway, only just two years ago the PLAAF did not possess a single type of fighter plane capable of outmatching (excluding pilot skills) IAF's SU-30MKIs. And all of a sudden, the J-16s, J-10B/Cs and the J-20s are combat ready, and all three are likely to be superior to the Su-30MKIs and Japan's F-15Js. J-20s could also take on ROKAF's AESA-equipped F-15Ks due to the former's stealth. It is amazing how fast the PLAAF has become a top-tier air force in terms of technological advancements.Game changer right thar babe!
The MKIs are going through mid life upgrades, possibly radar and other key elements.
IAF is looking to build "super sukhois" out of MKIs to upgrade them beyond what su-35 is for PLAAF. They probably know PLAAF bought a handful to see how the latest flankers performed and what the electronics are like. I bet the su-35 avionics and electronics are mostly superior and more modern than what the MKI has. Makes sense for IAF to negate this PLAAF advantage. Not sure why they are chasing an arms race with China though. An economy and country several times more wealthy will always outgun one that is many times smaller, poorer, and less developed. Won't even talk about industry and manufacturing of own weapons. It may be a political thing and related to their elections and Modi's image but China will never attack India or create any false flag reasons to do so. Reason is they've never done so in past. Of course I'm not talking about border disputes and conflicts but I'd bet the house that PRC will never invade undisputed parts. Disputed parts have been disputed for decades and some have been unsettled issues for more than a century. So it's not like PRC invents disputes out of the blue and uses it as a reason for invasion. Nor do they pretend to get hit to justify an attack (gulf of tonkin and the dozens of other USA invented nonsense to justify war). So going by track record and trends, it doesn't seem like PRC wants war at all even when they outgun others. The CPC seems to think they need to hold up a certain image to smaller non western nations around the world as a non imperialist and non aggressive up and comer.
J-20 and all the military progress made in recent decades is tooled for defending the mainland against encroachment from USA and its minions. They don't want to end up like Russia. It's also useful for domestic propaganda and nationalism. China hasn't used any threats to assert dominance and force policies or change on any other weaker nation. They've always used the carrot rather than the stick. However they have responded to military threats vis-a-vis Japan and USA re Korea issue, SCS, and island disputes. When Vietnam built islands (first ones to do so!), China responded in kind. Chinese islands are just better built. PLAAF airforce is indeed top tier with promising new developments and the base infrastructure and community to keep it up. But it is not in response to India. Taiwan by itself is FAR smaller and less well equipped than India. PLAAF is aiming at matching USAF. It's far surpassed the others including RuAF. Just look at numbers and trends. There's also no good reason to think all Chinese made equipment is worse than Indian or Russian ones. In fact there's actually more evidence pointing the other way.
J-20 and all the military progress made in recent decades is tooled for defending the mainland against encroachment from USA and its minions. They don't want to end up like Russia. It's also useful for domestic propaganda and nationalism. China hasn't used any threats to assert dominance and force policies or change on any other weaker nation. They've always used the carrot rather than the stick. However they have responded to military threats vis-a-vis Japan and USA re Korea issue, SCS, and island disputes. When Vietnam built islands (first ones to do so!), China responded in kind. Chinese islands are just better built. PLAAF airforce is indeed top tier with promising new developments and the base infrastructure and community to keep it up. But it is not in response to India. Taiwan by itself is FAR smaller and less well equipped than India. PLAAF is aiming at matching USAF. It's far surpassed the others including RuAF. Just look at numbers and trends. There's also no good reason to think all Chinese made equipment is worse than Indian or Russian ones. In fact there's actually more evidence pointing the other way.
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kwaigonegin
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What has the Indian AF got anything to do with the J20? Did the J20 fly into India recently, got into a shooting battle with MKIs? or some news connecting those two together? if so pls post link.
On a semi related note, I am also wondering why the rebels did not, in the past, hyperspace their X-Wing into a Star Destroyer now that you say the J20 is fully combat coded.
I really cannot understand - and indeed I find it annoying - that some always try to bring India into the discussion.
For most of China's or the PLAAF's decisions India is more or less irrelevant (even if the Indians don't like that). For China and the PLAAF there are much more pressing flashpoints than India ... but that would go even more off-topic.
Deino
For most of China's or the PLAAF's decisions India is more or less irrelevant (even if the Indians don't like that). For China and the PLAAF there are much more pressing flashpoints than India ... but that would go even more off-topic.
Deino
If India wants to be the competitor, she needs to work on organization strength. Self reliance? that is a must, not an option. China showed, that (at least partially) catching-up can be achieved. The real inner strength of China is its efficiency, first with low labor cost, then with technology. That, combined with the scale of the market, results in what seems to be quicker technology and engineering iterations. Sooner or later China will catch up with the military powers of the world.
Yang Wei said, though, after J-20 there is no more guidance from American jets. For that reason I think China's 6th gen jet could be dramatically different than US' if they are designed to serve different purposes. I will be amazed to compare the newer military tech from US, Russia, Europe, China and the rest of the world.
Yang Wei said, though, after J-20 there is no more guidance from American jets. For that reason I think China's 6th gen jet could be dramatically different than US' if they are designed to serve different purposes. I will be amazed to compare the newer military tech from US, Russia, Europe, China and the rest of the world.
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