J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread V

[plawolf]

The J-20 would look awesome with a couple of fuel tanks hanging under its wings to extend range.

Sor of like what the US typically does a lot of with the F-22.

As they approach a potential conflict zone that can then be jettisoned to go back to full stealth mode with the armament n the inside.

I am looking forward to seeing such a configuration on the J-20...makes a lot of sense.

Good suggestion, although I am not sure if it will be that useful for the J20.

The J20 was designed with good range from the start, and should be able to achieve a respectably combat radius with internal fuel alone.

In addition, unlike the F22 which will be mostly used in offensive wars, the J20 would most likely be used for defensive wars (even if they are mostly supposed to fly offensive oriented missions), meaning they will be flying into hostile sensor range soon after take-off from their home bases, so would be unlikely to have much time and distance to use drop tanks before they need to go full stealth.

 

[Air Force Brat]

Good suggestion, although I am not sure if it will be that useful for the J20.

The J20 was designed with good range from the start, and should be able to achieve a respectably combat radius with internal fuel alone.

In addition, unlike the F22 which will be mostly used in offensive wars, the J20 would most likely be used for defensive wars (even if they are mostly supposed to fly offensive oriented missions), meaning they will be flying into hostile sensor range soon after take-off from their home bases, so would be unlikely to have much time and distance to use drop tanks before they need to go full stealth.

Nice application of sound logic Wolfie, but every combat aircraft can "always" use more disposable fuel? think about it, if you are expecting visitors, its much better to be at altitude, with a full load of weapons, at a safe "stand-off" range prepared to blow tanks, and still retain that full measure of internal fuel to go into full burner to keep the bad guys at bay!

The old pilots adage is that fuel not in your tanks, altitude above you, and runway behind you do you NO good! those sages had been there and done that, yes I have had an engine quit due to fuel exhaustion, at 300 ft, and about a 60degree climb angle----once was enough, yes I made a beautiful downwind landing and on roll out, the engine started again as the prop windmilled, and I taxied up to the fuel pumps??? God is good, all the time, but help Him out and carry all the fuel you need?? always a good bet bruda!

 

[Air Force Brat]

Back home ... as such no. 2017 can appear !

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beautiful work Andreas, and although I consider myself rather well spoken, to read your beautiful work is both humbling and inspiring, your research and your sources, and your ability to glean so much real info from both is just amazing, you are a wonderful teacher brother, and I have found each and every post to be so HONEST! and fair, I just thank God that we are so blessed to have you here on the beautiful SDF. I am so proud to go into a bookstore and flip open the magazine and there is your name, and the end product is so nicely presented and professional, I am as proud of you as if you were my own brother! blessings to you and your's and I'll pray that you don't have to wait to long to see 2017???

 

[Air Force Brat]

The J-20 would look awesome with a couple of fuel tanks hanging under its wings to extend range.

Sor of like what the US typically does a lot of with the F-22.

As they approach a potential conflict zone that can then be jettisoned to go back to full stealth mode with the armament n the inside.

I am looking forward to seeing such a configuration on the J-20...makes a lot of sense.

absolutely Jeff, and I believe those are the 600 gallon tanks which give the Raptor long legs in addition to her many other fine virtues. That's 7200lbs of JP which with super cruise will take you a long way in a hurry!

No doubt the J-20 is following the Raptor lead, and no doubt that additional fuel would give her some long legs.

 

[Deino]

Huuu Thank You so much, but in regard to my limited English - a more or less typical Germa-school Englsih leraned once and now spoken from a once more than lazy pupil then ! - I need to thank You all here so much for these discussions, thoughts I never imagined and ideas I then only have to put together ... to be honest I do nothing more than our former minister of Defence Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg; who finally had to resign after in February 2011 it was discovered that Guttenberg's thesis for his "doctor-title" contained texts of other authors without citation. This plagiarism accusations against him led to the German public phrase to "Guttenberg something" if You copy & paste from other sources without giving correct quotes. To admit a true problem for my work, since usually in my scripts I mention the sources but usually the finished texted no longer use them (at least in AI and CA).

Deino

 

[Air Force Brat]

zigzag panels do not make a aircraft disappear from radar, there is something called resonance

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The J-20 is designed to have stealth features only in some frequencies and only against some types of radars available, that means it is designed considering the types of radar its potential enemies have.

The zigzag panel has a resonance frequency where its stealth treatment does not work, same the overall J-20, some types of radar see stealth aircraft well, but is common people think stealth work always, the reality is it is better have legs to run than try to hide with modern radars, speed will be more important at the end of the day

While you make some astute observations many of the conclusions you reach are 180 degrees out of phase?? The types of large radar arrays that are necessary to "see" L/O?? are also huge emitters, and their placements are well known, they would be the very first targets hit by long range weapons.

Also the hyper-critical analysis of J-20, and by inference the F-22??, would much more appropriately be applied as least equally to the T-50, where you seem loath to admit her many deficiencies as to stealth shaping and L/O in general?

Why run, when you can stay and finish the fight you came for?? If your stealth aircraft do indeed live up to their design expectations, they will "neutralize" the threat rapidly and open up the airspace for the legacy aircraft they are accompanying, allowing many of last generations "heavy hitters" to go to bat!

Bottom line is the J-20 has from the beginning been designed to optimize L/O technology and put those advantages into practice, that is to commended rather than rebuked and belittled?

 

[Air Force Brat]

Huuu Thank You so much, but in regard to my limited English - a more or less typical Germa-school Englsih leraned once and now spoken from a once more than lazy pupil then ! - I need to thank You all here so much for these discussions, thoughts I never imagined and ideas I then only have to put together ... to be honest I do nothing more than our former minister of Defence Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg; who finally had to resign after in February 2011 it was discovered that Guttenberg's thesis for his "doctor-title" contained texts of other authors without citation. This plagiarism accusations against him led to the German public phrase to "Guttenberg something" if You copy & paste from other sources without giving correct quotes. To admit a true problem for my work, since usually in my scripts I mention the sources but usually the finished texted no longer use them (at least in AI and CA).

Deino

Well, add humility to your many virtues my brother, but I have learned so much from you, and my other SDF brothers, in fact I had one of my brothers here point out my recent conversion to the "Heavy Raptor" camp point out that my observations mirrored his own, I had to make an apology and give him the credit.
Feel free at any time to use anything of my posts to add to your beautiful work, kind of like my lending Rembrandt a small color pallet?? LOL

 

[Jeff Head]

Good suggestion, although I am not sure if it will be that useful for the J20.

Having additional fuel is always a very good thing if it can be had.

The J-20s of the future may have to fly good distances, depending on where they are based, to get to the operational areas.

For example, they may be called upon to defend Chinese interests in any number of places...from the SCS, to all along the silk roads (both land and maritime), to Africa, etc.

Time will tell...but as I say, I believe they will add those fuel tanks and look forward to such pictures.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Having additional fuel is always a very good thing if it can be had.

The J-20s of the future may have to fly good distances, depending on where they are based, to get to the operational areas.

For example, they may be called upon to defend Chinese interests in any number of places...from the SCS, to all along the silk roads (both land and maritime), to Africa, etc.

Time will tell...but as I say, I believe they will add those fuel tanks and look forward to such pictures.

I wonder if the island landing strips will be capable of supporting heavy fighters like the J-20.

 

[vesicles]

I wonder if the island landing strips will be capable of supporting heavy fighters like the J-20.

But still, having that capability adds flexibility, which is always a good thing. Doesn't mean that the J-20 will always have to be strapped with an external fuel tank.