J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread V

[Blitzo]

I'd say were are around 15-16 flying aircraft including 2001 and 2002, I just haven't seen any evidence to contradict that serious "guestimation"?

I don't think we have any good estimates of what the top number of J-20s can be.

Unfortunately they seem to have clamped down on photos of CAC can prevented us from discerning new production airframes with serial numbers.

However, I doubt there are only 15-16 total aircraft flying (i.e.: including 2001, 2001 and the 201X prototypes, as that means there would only be 8 LRIP aircraft).
I personally wouldn't be surprised if they were approaching 20 LRIP airframes (not including prototypes), but I wouldn't stake my name on it.

 

[antiterror13]

I don't think we have any good estimates of what the top number of J-20s can be.

Unfortunately they seem to have clamped down on photos of CAC can prevented us from discerning new production airframes with serial numbers.

However, I doubt there are only 15-16 total aircraft flying (i.e.: including 2001, 2001 and the 201X prototypes, as that means there would only be 8 LRIP aircraft).
I personally wouldn't be surprised if they were approaching 20 LRIP airframes (not including prototypes), but I wouldn't stake my name on it.

Just a simple question ... what normally would happen to the prototypes? in this case there are 8 prototype J-20s

 

[Blitzo]

Just a simple question ... what normally would happen to the prototypes? in this case there are 8 prototype J-20s

They would continue to be used for testing purposes, such as new software, new flight regimes, new weapons integration, new subsystem integration or capability development etc... until such a point where their flight hours are used up and they will be retired, whereupon a dedicated test/development unit of J-20s should have been created to replace the prototypes in that role.

 

[antiterror13]

They would continue to be used for testing purposes, such as new software, new flight regimes, new weapons integration, new subsystem integration or capability development etc... until such a point where their flight hours are used up and they will be retired, whereupon a dedicated test/development unit of J-20s should have been created to replace the prototypes in that role.

thanks. During emergency/war ... would those be able to fight as well?

 

[Blitzo]

thanks. During emergency/war ... would those be able to fight as well?

technically speaking it isn't impossible if they had the time and resources but it would probably be an impractical use of time and resources.

Basically, in future, the number of available/combat ready J-20s (or any type of fighter/aircraft), we should take the total number of the aircraft in service, minus the number of J-20s in service which are used exclusively for developing and developing new software/flight regimes/subsystems, minus the number of J-20s which are in maintenance, and minus the number of J-20 prototypes, and that's the number of J-20s they can get in the air at any one moment for a contingency.

 

[siegecrossbow]

CCTV reconfirms that the J-20 is in service with PLAAF.

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[sanblvd]

I remember when F-22 was first inducted into USAF there was constant report of how it dominate F-15 and F-16 in exercise with kill ratios like 100 to 1.

Now that J-20 has been in testing and service for a while, is there any rumor on the internet how it square up against J-11 and J-10 in exercises?

 

[manqiangrexue]

Yeah, when the first 2 J-20 entered the PLAAF, there were also rumors about numerous J-10 and J-11 getting shot down in exercises without knowing they were even engaged and they said that the "big dish" (KJ-2000) was helpless to aid the 4th gens as well. Someone even said something to the tune of "Wow, now we finally see what the Americans were talking about when they gave such acclaim to the F-22."

 

[sanblvd]

Yeah, when the first 2 J-20 entered the PLAAF, there were also rumors about J-10 and J-11 getting shot down in exercises without knowing they were even engaged and they said that the "big dish" (KJ-2000) was helpless to aid the 4th gens as well. Someone even said something to the tune of "Wow, now we finally see what the Americans were talking about when they gave such acclaim to the F-22."

Very nice, how long ago was this rumor reported?

Also if AWAC cannot detect stealth fighters, that means future of air to air combat would be like WW2 battles, that stealth fighters from opposing sides will only see each other at within visual range and possible dog fight.

Unless China using their J-20 to trying to come up with ways to detect stealth fighters?

 

[Equation]

Very nice, how long ago was this rumor reported?

Also if AWAC cannot detect stealth fighters, that means future of air to air combat would be like WW2 battles, that stealth fighters from opposing sides will only see each other at within visual range and possible dog fight.

Unless China using their J-20 to trying to come up with ways to detect stealth fighters?

China already has a working radar that can detect stealth for about a hundred miles I believe, but they are working on improving that range. But I don't the technology has been advance into smaller version of the JY-27A 3-D long-range surveillance/guidance radar that can be mounted onto a fighter yet.

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