J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread V

Status
Not open for further replies.

Tyloe

Junior Member
I know there are few out there who still hope and even insist that the J-20 is powered by the WS-10 or even a secret WS-1X .... at least for me the issue is long clear and here another proof !

View attachment 24468
Would this call to question the maturity of the WS-10 let alone the WS-15? It really does seem they won't be ready until 2020s.
 

siegecrossbow

General
Staff member
Super Moderator
............



So how many slave workers died making this prototype? That "2101" paint job looks like it was smeared on by hand soaked in blood!



j20-2101-flight-03-jpg.24432

j20-2101-flight-01-jpg.24430


I AM JOKING! :D

Seriously, that paint job is just horrible. Even if its just temporarily.

It's the anti-corrosion primer. Eventually they'll have to spray on the RCS reduction paint. Since this plane is the production version, they didn't bother for this particular aircraft until preliminary flight tests are complete.
 

Deino

Lieutenant General
Staff member
Super Moderator
Registered Member
Looks like a huge canary-bird ... or maybe better to call it a canary-dragon ! :D:p;)

Anyway - and I know I'm a bit special in this regard :rolleyes: - I'm very much interested in when will they get their final colours, what colour will they get (most likely the same as 2017 !) and even more important for me: will they already get a PLAAF-serial like one of the FTTC-brigades in yellow ... Since all batch 01 and 02 J-10B/C we've seen so far with their 1-xx or 2-xx numbers, I can't think that it will retain its c/n '2101' !?

Deino
 

latenlazy

Brigadier
Would this call to question the maturity of the WS-10 let alone the WS-15? It really does seem they won't be ready until 2020s.
The maturity of the WS-10? No. There could be lots of reasons why they don't use the WS-10 not related to reliability or capability. Readiness of the WS-15? Well you can't slap on engines that haven't finished development, and I see no reason why the J-20 using AL-31s should indicate anything about progress in that project.
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
The maturity of the WS-10? No. There could be lots of reasons why they don't use the WS-10 not related to reliability or capability. Readiness of the WS-15? Well you can't slap on engines that haven't finished development, and I see no reason why the J-20 using AL-31s should indicate anything about progress in that project.
An alternative explanation is the J-20 development team doesn't trust WS-10 engines for a variety of quality and performance related reasons, so they go with foreign suppliers they trust more.

We agree on lack of readiness of WS-15 for any application.
 

latenlazy

Brigadier
An alternative explanation is the J-20 development team doesn't trust WS-10 engines for a variety of quality and performance related reasons, so they go with foreign suppliers they trust more.

We agree on lack of readiness of WS-15 for any application.
Again, quality and performance aren't the only possible reasons. CAC may simply have more experience with the AL-31's supply chain and maintenance process. Alternatively, supply constraints, either in the whole product or in parts for the WS-10 could play a factor. It could also be that when the J-20 started testing there were reliability and performance issues with the WS-10, but once the design was committed to another engine switching engines would be impractical at any point during the development process regardless of whether the WS-10 resolved such issues later. Removing as many unknowns as possible is important in a testing environment. Some of those unknowns may be related to reliability and performance concerns, either in the past or present, but many more do not.

My point about the WS-15 is that whether the J-20 uses WS-10s or not tells us nothing about whether the WS-15 will be early, on schedule, or late.
 
Last edited:

steve_rolfe

Junior Member
Regarding the YELLOW paint job. Recent news articles on the subject, with reference to quotes from Chinese sources, specify, that yes this is an undercoat, and that it is more than likely that these recent versions of the J-20 will join the PLAAF in the future, but they havn't been given a top coat yet, because the Chinese military havn't made a final decision on what colour the production J-20's should be finished in.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top