J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread IV (Closed to posting)

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NAH! we all know the FA37B Blk 10 Talon is going to be the Navy's next gen fighter bomber. ;)

Powered by twin F137 adaptive cycle engines with ramjet capability, fully redundant FBL, Advanced AI, 360 situational awareness and forward swept Swing Wing design and ramjet power AAM with full 360 spherical launch capability and full integration of 4D holographic HMS.

Each machine comes with its own Jessica Biel clone right?
 

Equation

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Just fit two people into a single seater silly.

Um...one aviator per ejection seat. Unless you want me to eject something other than my seat at Jessic Biel of course.:p:eek:


Ok that will be the last joke before I get into trouble. Back to the subject.
 

Air Force Brat

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Now imagine if that Americanized J-20 has a tail hook and it can be the next 6th gen fighter for the Navy. I think someone or Brat brght this up before.

It would only be 5th gen, there would have to be a very large technology or capability leap for any aircraft to qualify as sixth gen, the bird Kwai describes, could be, maybe considered a 5.25 or even a 5.5 maybe, but really . not sure what would qualify as a true sixth gen. It is very important to realize that the ATF, which became the Raptor was an extremely well thought out and executed aircraft, with lot of doodles by lots of doodlers contributing.... the Raptor is the first and quite possibly only true embodiment of a fifth gen. In my opinion the haste to "qualify or classify" anything as a sixth generation is extremely premature, what is even more disturbing is the fact that neither the Air Force, nor the Navy have come to the realization that at this stage of the game, they really need to have a manned aircraft in order to be able to call it a sixth generation "fighter aircraft". So to get back on topic, this artists rendition, would make a fine carrier aircraft, it is much more compact, but it would likely lose some fuel capacity, speed, and agility.

Which brings us the crux of the matter, and that is that the J-20 is a very fine aeroplane in its present configuration, and really is only lacking refinement. The WS-10/ AL-31s will work to get it up to speed, a follow on will likely be powered by a WS-15, barring that, we might see an F-117S variant, but I'm going to go out on a limb and predict the Chinese will have the WS-15 up to speed. I would remind everyone, that with the advent of the East China Sea ADIZ, I predicted a a more urgent sense of need would ramp up the priority of the J-20, and push the carrier to the back burner, "relatively speaking", so I believe that what we are seeing now is that sense of urgency taking hold, and propelling the J-20 to high priority status.
 
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Brumby

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I would remind everyone, that with the advent of the East China Sea ADIZ, I predicted a a more urgent sense of need would ramp up the priority of the J-20, and push the carrier to the back burner, "relatively speaking", so I believe that what we are seeing now is that sense of urgency taking hold, and propelling the J-20 to high priority status.
AFB,

I have trouble reconciling your reasoning between ADIZ enforcement and the consequence prioritization of J-20 development. I just do not see the nexus. I can understand the need for surveillance and sensor assets to identify, track and vector in the necessary intercepts but what does a J-20 provide in terms of added capability that a J-11 can't provide when enforcing the ADIZ? .
 

Blitzo

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Indeed.

There are many reasons for why the J-20 programme maybe accelerated but the ADIZ is hardly one of them.
The biggest over arching reason is simply because the strategic situation requires it, and the ADIZ contributes little in that respect. In other words, if there were no ADIZ the impetus for J-20 development will barely change.
 

Air Force Brat

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AFB,

I have trouble reconciling your reasoning between ADIZ enforcement and the consequence prioritization of J-20 development. I just do not see the nexus. I can understand the need for surveillance and sensor assets to identify, track and vector in the necessary intercepts but what does a J-20 provide in terms of added capability that a J-11 can't provide when enforcing the ADIZ? .

Why does the US station the Raptor on our three Borders, Eglin AFB, Langley AFB, and JB Elmendorf/Richardson AFB, while I realize they are there to defend our borders, they are primarily there at present to "patrol" our borders. We use CVN all around the world to carry the flag and "project power". J-20 will perform the same function at a fraction of the cost, and present a real deterrence to anyone who might be tempted to conduct surveillance and observe any maritime operations. To forward station an aircraft that is both stealthy and long range, would present a real threat to AWACs and Tankers, and disrupt the Air Ops of any possible threat, more specifically the USN/USAF as we attempt to gather intelligence in real time...

At the present both China and Russia are beginning to feel some real economic pressure from the global downturn/current events, and you can't have everything, CV-16 is rather toothless with-out an airwing at present? So whether or not you feel its appropriate, sending a couple of Raptors out to intercept those old clanky Mig-31s, Su-27s, and Bears sends a very clear message. What makes you think China wouldn't like to be able to send out an equally clear message, the J-20 will send the same message our Raptors do??? "Do you feel Lucky Punk?" "well do you?" Have a nice day, I'm going to bed.:p
 

no_name

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Why does the US station the Raptor on our three Borders, Eglin AFB, Langley AFB, and JB Elmendorf/Richardson AFB,

I just looked up Langley AFB on google map and you can see the Raptors quite nicely.

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