J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread IV (Closed to posting)

[Blackstone]

PLAN trying to make up for lesser numbers of aircraft carriers with more capable naval fighters? Since J-15 is comparable to F-18E/F, and if J-21 serves onboard too, it will/should overwhelm F-35 like curb stomp.

Come on airsuperiority, you're better than this. No one will "overwhelm" the F-35 (in near-equal numbers) unless the Lightning II pilot was already dead from cardiac arrest.

 

[airsuperiority]

Come on airsuperiority, you're better than this. No one will "overwhelm" the F-35 (in near-equal numbers) unless the Lightning II pilot was already dead from cardiac arrest.

Or unless fundings and lack of customers
But ok for real the F-35A is only as equivalent as a stealthy F-16 in terms of maneuverability, so if the J-21 possesses good air characteristics that's at least equivalent of a flanker, then only thing standing between both planes would be range, payload, stealth, speed, and BVR capabilities(radar). If 611(J-21 if I recall correctly) is intended to compete against the 601 J-20, and the J-20 is speculated to be in the same class as F-22, then J-21 should at least be as capable as Eurofighter, Su-30MKK. If logic applies, then J-21 would definitely outperform F-35 in WVR at the very least. As for stealth while F-35 probably comes around 3rd or 4th (after B-1, F-22, J-20?) in terms of frontal RCS, this also remains a question whether PLA J-21 would have an equivalent of frontal RCS, since it's meant for competing against the 601. Speed-wise I'm inclined to believe the J-21 will be more than Mach 1.6(F-35), and weapons will probably be around 6 (F-35A is 4 internal, which means it is small and short-legged in terms of range, speed, and payload). However of course it's my guesses, so we will see how far things go.

Anyways given the day is still early to pinpoint the layout of Liaoning's air fleet, there's nothing for certain. However if rumors are true that another 5th gen is coming out, it might be for PLAN, then we will really begin to see how far all of this will fall in place. What we are more sure of would be F-35's specs, so it will be a good basis for comparison. And of course depending which breed of F-35 we are talking about, I won't be surprised we will draw very different results.

 

[Equation]

Or unless fundings and lack of customers
But ok for real the F-35A is only as equivalent as a stealthy F-16 in terms of maneuverability, so if the J-21 possesses good air characteristics that's at least equivalent of a flanker, then only thing standing between both planes would be range, payload, stealth, speed, and BVR capabilities(radar). If 611(J-21 if I recall correctly) is intended to compete against the 601 J-20, and the J-20 is speculated to be in the same class as F-22, then J-21 should at least be as capable as Eurofighter, Su-30MKK. If logic applies, then J-21 would definitely outperform F-35 in WVR at the very least. As for stealth while F-35 probably comes around 3rd or 4th (after B-1, F-22, J-20?) in terms of frontal RCS, this also remains a question whether PLA J-21 would have an equivalent of frontal RCS, since it's meant for competing against the 601. Speed-wise I'm inclined to believe the J-21 will be more than Mach 1.6(F-35), and weapons will probably be around 6 (F-35A is 4 internal, which means it is small and short-legged in terms of range, speed, and payload). However of course it's my guesses, so we will see how far things go.

Anyways given the day is still early to pinpoint the layout of Liaoning's air fleet, there's nothing for certain. However if rumors are true that another 5th gen is coming out, it might be for PLAN, then we will really begin to see how far all of this will fall in place. What we are more sure of would be F-35's specs, so it will be a good basis for comparison. And of course depending which breed of F-35 we are talking about, I won't be surprised we will draw very different results.

It's probably will China's version of the UCAV, like the US X-47 program. Or probably for the PLAAF long range stealth bomber like the B-2 or similar to it is my guess for the 2013 and 2014.

 

[airsuperiority]

It's probably will China's version of the UCAV, like the US X-47 program. Or probably for the PLAAF long range stealth bomber like the B-2 or similar to it is my guess for the 2013 and 2014.

My only questions with experimental projects and UAV technology like X-47 and etc would be whether they define any significant technical effectiveness and efficiencies over human control, and whether these projects are worthwhile. The amount of money spent in these can only have one speculate whether they produce anything meaningful out of it in the end. While UAV technology permit fewer man casualties, more automation, and or whatever that can come out of it, it makes me wonder if the costs with such a program will be compensated with more benefits. Yes maybe the deployment and the lives and costs for troops could be spared since they operate the plane from home, but how much does the program itself costs in relative terms? I also think UAV technologies only expose US to higher vulnerabilities to hacking and cyber warfare. For China's excessive reserves of obsolete J-6,J-7, and even J-8s, they already serve as excellent dispensible garbage that can be used in any way possible that provides tactical uses and benefits. Meanwhile China's huge manpower can mean there's less inclination towards UAV technology, especially given China has no need of projects and programs that require extensive range and extensive power projections that operate too far from home.

 

[Player99]

My only questions with experimental projects and UAV technology like X-47 and etc would be whether they define any significant technical effectiveness and efficiencies over human control, and whether these projects are worthwhile. The amount of money spent in these can only have one speculate whether they produce anything meaningful out of it in the end. While UAV technology permit fewer man casualties, more automation, and or whatever that can come out of it, it makes me wonder if the costs with such a program will be compensated with more benefits. Yes maybe the deployment and the lives and costs for troops could be spared since they operate the plane from home, but how much does the program itself costs in relative terms? I also think UAV technologies only expose US to higher vulnerabilities to hacking and cyber warfare. For China's excessive reserves of obsolete J-6,J-7, and even J-8s, they already serve as excellent dispensible garbage that can be used in any way possible that provides tactical uses and benefits. Meanwhile China's huge manpower can mean there's less inclination towards UAV technology, especially given China has no need of projects and programs that require extensive range and extensive power projections that operate too far from home.

Hm... China may have a freakin' huge population but China also has the most number of single-child families in the whole freakin' world! So the Chinese today are quite different from the ones Mao and USSR sent to the Korean War...

Now, I tend to look at China's trying out each and every technology to be just that: Trying. The purpose is to know and build up a solid and broad scientific, technological, and manufacturing base, which should be as good as those in Europe and in the USA. Also, many of the technological toys we see more and more frenquently popping up are aimed at export markets the world over. In today's world, one wins probably more from one's overall influence than from sheer hard power.

 

[AssassinsMace]

My only questions with experimental projects and UAV technology like X-47 and etc would be whether they define any significant technical effectiveness and efficiencies over human control, and whether these projects are worthwhile. The amount of money spent in these can only have one speculate whether they produce anything meaningful out of it in the end. While UAV technology permit fewer man casualties, more automation, and or whatever that can come out of it, it makes me wonder if the costs with such a program will be compensated with more benefits. Yes maybe the deployment and the lives and costs for troops could be spared since they operate the plane from home, but how much does the program itself costs in relative terms? I also think UAV technologies only expose US to higher vulnerabilities to hacking and cyber warfare. For China's excessive reserves of obsolete J-6,J-7, and even J-8s, they already serve as excellent dispensible garbage that can be used in any way possible that provides tactical uses and benefits. Meanwhile China's huge manpower can mean there's less inclination towards UAV technology, especially given China has no need of projects and programs that require extensive range and extensive power projections that operate too far from home.

Well it ought to tell you something that the F-35 gets a bigger budget. If UAV/UCAVs were better than fighters, the US for one would be turning their air force into unmanned drones. I was reading an article I came across from what was trending on Yahoo about how the US flies drones from I think was the Maldives and the pilot behind it on his first mission crashes it on take-off. If China starts building large numbers of UAV/UCAVs, I bet you'll hear about their vulnerabilities just like when China came out with the J-20 all of the sudden stealth wasn't as invulnerable as before. Let's not forget how the Pentagon earlier in the year slashed the UAV program budget because it turned out they weren't any better than what a U2 can do. UAV technology is great but probably doesn't give you that edge so it's basically a show-off platform.

 

[Player99]

PLAN trying to make up for lesser numbers of aircraft carriers with more capable naval fighters? Since J-15 is comparable to F-18E/F, and if J-21 serves onboard too, it will/should overwhelm F-35 like curb stomp.

Not you, my bro, to use this line of thinking! ...I mean this "If only we... We will..." stuff that has been the fondest repetition for years by a certain species of us netizens.

 

[kyanges]

If China starts building large numbers of UAV/UCAVs, I bet you'll hear about their vulnerabilities just like when China came out with the J-20 all of the sudden stealth wasn't as invulnerable as before.

That much is obvious. So what I'm wondering is, what would be trumpeted next? Supposedly, after Stealth was UCAVs. But after UCAVs... What, space planes?

 

[airsuperiority]

Not you, my bro, to use this line of thinking! ...I mean this "If only we... We will..." stuff that has been the fondest repetition for years by a certain species of us netizens.

hahahha true! didn't notice i'm succumbing to the evils of the net! all these years of net surfing is finally starting to catch up on me

 

[ladioussupp]

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According to the following thread, it is a RC model plane.

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