J-11 to J-19 aircraft INSIDER INFORMATION (from CJDBY)

SinoSoldier said:

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J-15 is based off J-11B, not Su-33.

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Ohhh ... and why does it then feature the same shorter sting, the IFR-probe, the folding-wings and -tails ... ???

Every blind man can see that the J-15 is a nearly exact "copy" of the Su-33 but with the J-11B's avionics and systems + wing-tip rails.

Deino

TerraN_EmpirE said:

I went a-google-ing for a Chinese Vtol fighter.

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there are others mostly blogs adding there two cents Some purport it too be J15 others J16 (neither Working with the list at the top of the thread) and of course the fan art with concept drawings and others make no mention of a designation. If the PLAAF did designate the J20 as J20 then they could have decided that gen 5 ( western nomenclature) fighters should be classified in a new line starting with 20 and up but that's me adding MOHO.

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I think esp. that second "illustation" is completely wrong, since it is known for many years and was always said to show how SAC's XXJ concept of a tri-plane might look like ...

Deino said:

Ohhh ... and why does it then feature the same shorter sting, the IFR-probe, the folding-wings and -tails ... ???

Every blind man can see that the J-15 is a nearly exact "copy" of the Su-33 but with the J-11B's avionics and systems + wing-tip rails.

Deino

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Well said Indeed.
The whole "J-15 based on J-11B not Su-33" and to an extent the similar "J-11B is a whole new aircraft" statement is a very superficial and vain stance to take...

Hmm likely that the Author of the article or whoever tacked on the photo and Photoshop was more interested in some thing looking cool. the photoshop does have a few nice touches though is is as good a guess as any on what a reduced radar Cross section ( more F15SE not F22A) flanker variant would look like.

Deino said:

Ohhh ... and why does it then feature the same shorter sting, the IFR-probe, the folding-wings and -tails ... ???

Every blind man can see that the J-15 is a nearly exact "copy" of the Su-33 but with the J-11B's avionics and systems + wing-tip rails.

Deino

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And the F-15 is a copy of the MiG-25 because they both have two vertical stabilizers, two engines, and side intakes, right? In fact, let's call the J-15 a copy of the Su-30MKI because they look so similar!

For the sake of your common sense, or lack thereof, looks don't mean everything, especially in the field of aviation.

If you had done your research, you would know that the J-15 uses the same configuration, avionics, and base airframe as the J-15. The J-15 can be considered a J-11B with canards.

Every blind man calls the J-15 a "copy" of the Su-33, yes. Too bad some people aren't blind and actually do some damn research.

Bltizo said:

Well said Indeed.
The whole "J-15 based on J-11B not Su-33" and to an extent the similar "J-11B is a whole new aircraft" statement is a very superficial and vain stance to take...

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To the naked eye.

P.S. There's a reason why the T-50 isn't part of the Flanker family.

SinoSoldier said:

And the F-15 is a copy of the MiG-25 because they both have two vertical stabilizers, two engines, and side intakes, right? In fact, let's call the J-15 a copy of the Su-30MKI because they look so similar!

For the sake of your common sense, or lack thereof, looks don't mean everything, especially in the field of aviation.

If you had done your research, you would know that the J-15 uses the same configuration, avionics, and base airframe as the J-15. The J-15 can be considered a J-11B with canards.

Every blind man calls the J-15 a "copy" of the Su-33, yes. Too bad some people aren't blind and actually do some damn research.

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You are really funny , and You still ask why no-one takes You serious ??

To call the J-15 not based on the Su-33 is plain stupid. Just take a look on nearly each and every structural detail - if visible on the few pictures - and You will see that it is nearly an exact copy of the Su-33.

The J-15 can be considered a J-11B with canards

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And what are these canard and other changes from ??? .. I tell You: Su-33 !!!

Sorry mate, but once again You are dead wrong .. or it shows the quality of Your research.

Deino

Deino said:

You are really fune , and You still ask why no-one takes You serious ??

To call the J-15 not based on the Su-33 is plain stupid. Just take a look on nearly each and every structural detail - if visible on the few pictures - and You will see that it is nearly an exact copy of the Su-33.



And what are these canard and other changes from ??? .. I tell You: Su-33 !!!

Sorry mate, but once again You are dead wrong .. or it shows the quality of Your research.

Deino

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I know that I don't know as much about this stuff as Deino, I trust him. But I would say that both the Su-33 and J-11B will have served as starting points for the J-15. The Su-33 structurally, the J-11B electronically.

Personally, I believe that the J-15 has other improvements too. I have nothing to substantiate this, just a hunch. I don't see why China wouldn't install AESA radars on them, for example.

Deino said:

You are really funny , and You still ask why no-one takes You serious ??

To call the J-15 not based on the Su-33 is plain stupid. Just take a look on nearly each and every structural detail - if visible on the few pictures - and You will see that it is nearly an exact copy of the Su-33.

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So is the Su-30MKI and about every other canard-featuring Flanker variant I can name.

In case you haven't noticed, none of these other canard featuring Flankers have the Su-33 as their ancestor.

Why? Because superficial qualities don't hold much meaning in the field of aviation. That's why we don't rank aircraft by their looks. That's why we have a different designation for each Flanker variant even though they look very similar.

The J-15 doesn't even use the same avionics and engines as the Su-33.

Eyeballing is not "researching", for your sake.

Deino said:

And what are these canard and other changes from ??? .. I tell You: Su-33 !!!

Sorry mate, but once again You are dead wrong .. or it shows the quality of Your research.

Deino

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In case you haven't realized, the Su-33 wasn't the first aircraft to feature canards.

Canards are a concept, not a Su-33 patented design, buddy.

Seriously, your logic is ridiculous.

SinoSoldier said:

So is the Su-30MKI and about every other canard-featuring Flanker variant I can name.
In case you haven't noticed, none of these other canard featuring Flankers have the Su-33 as their ancestor.

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No, exact every canard-equipped Flanker - even the Indian MKI - as such has the T-10K as its ancestor, since the canards on a Flanker were esp. developed for the carrier-capable version.

Why? Because superficial qualities don't hold much meaning in the field of aviation. That's why we don't rank aircraft by their looks. That's why we have a different designation for each Flanker variant even though they look very similar.
The J-15 doesn't even use the same avionics and engines as the Su-33.
Eyeballing is not "researching", for your sake.

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I never said, the J-15 has the same avionics or engine as the Su-33; but structurally it's more or less a Sino-Su-33.

In case you haven't realized, the Su-33 wasn't the first aircraft to feature canards.
Canards are a concept, not a Su-33 patented design, buddy.
Seriously, your logic is ridiculous.

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Come on and tell us, what You are smoking !??

You are correct, Canards are a feature, a concept on its own, but the canard-equipped Flanker is a patented design and since the J-15's canards and all other design features are more than superficially the same to the Su-33 - not only by my "eyeball researching" and not a new design or a different canard configuration as the EF Typhoon or the French Rafale ... exactly the same configuration to the Su-33, at least I'm more than sure the J-15 is truely based on the Su-33 regardless what Your blablabla will tell us.

Anyway, You have Your ideas - like a hypersonic stealthy bomber - and I have mine; have a good night my friend.

Deino