That's again PAF.
As much as India is keeping it's mouth shut (which allows Pakistan to kindly take the public media spotlight), we need their data.
J-10 Thread IV
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As much as India is keeping it's mouth shut (which allows Pakistan to kindly take the public media spotlight), we need their data.
Is there any plan to do a J-10AG midlife upgrade on the A variant? There is some 300+ J-10A and S in service. That's a big number that could be upgraded with an AESA.
There's no reason to do so. The J-10A is currently in the process of being retired from 1st-line service, with only 3x combat ABs still fielding the type - the 43rd, 70th and 124th.
As for the J-10S, it's used as a conversion trainer, not as an operational type.
Do the airframes are at the end of their flying hours ?
India is hardly keeping its mouth shut. In fact, they are pressing (overcompensating) on their airbase missile strike narrative and deliberately ignoring the air to air component.
Which to me indicates that there was nothing good to share on that front so they'll never share it.
Some of them yeah, J-10 was run at a very high tempo by PLAAF when they first got it as it was well ahead of most of their previous jets. That's why you're seeing a good number retired instead of upgraded I think. The other thing is, just like J-11, the early J-10 weren't really designed with datalink in mind so it's harder to get good use going forward out of a refit. Perhaps a refit J-10A would be good right now but with how increasingly systems based air warfare is it's probably not worth it in the medium to long term. Overall PLAAF seems to prefer to just retire them.
J-10 was only inducted into service in 2004. That's much lower than typical 30 year service life. Most J-10A are likely around 15 years old. Isn't it too early to retire them?
Did China already retire some J-10As?
I'm not sure if retired or just moved to 2nd/3rd line service but like I think some J-10A or J-10S already had that happen cuz again they were pushed hard. See post 7,274 for one.
We know they lost aircraft. But how many, ultimately, can come only from their side.
Just 101 on air warfare - shooter's numbers sadly are just not credible.
He is susceptible to both mistakes(target mark lost), has incentive to make larger initial claims, and has negative incentive to roll claims back, especially when opponent tries silence as a public relations approach.
Like, ISI probably knew the exact number within hours(when indians themselves dealed with the confusion). But why undermine the public perception? India is so afraid of admitting the loss, you can be a bit more ambitious.
Mostly moved to 2nd-line. There's an enormous number of J-10s in training units today. They're allocated to the following formations:
- 1st August Team: Some J-10S
- 2nd Training Brigade (CTC): J-10A and J-10S
- 3rd Training Brigade (WTC): J-10S
- 4th Training Brigade (CTC): J-10S
- 20th Air Regiment (training): 50x J-10A and J-10S
- 53rd Air Regiment (training): 50x J-10B and J-10S
- 94th Air Regiment (training): 50x unspecified J-10
- 170th Air Brigade: Some J-10S
- 171st Air Brigade: Some J-10S
- 175th Air Brigade: Some J-10S
In terms of J-10A/B/S, we're talking about somewhere between 200 - 300 aircraft serving in 2nd-line formations.