J-10 Thread IV

[crash8pilot]

At 1:47, the landing angle seems a bit too steep and i think the J-10's rear touched the runway a bit.

Looks about right when comparing it to this. The high frontal perspective of where the video footage was taken would also make it seem as though the nose was pitched higher than it actually is in the flare.

Never flown fighters, but for reference - the A320 has a 12-13 degrees nose up pitch during the landing flare, leaving about 2 feet (basically from the ground to the average human knee) of clearance before the tail strikes. On the other hand the Dash-8 I used to fly could only pitch up to 5 degrees nose up on touchdown (6 degrees to get a greaser, but you have to be SO careful) before the tail strikes the runway at 7 degrees nose up pitch.

Basically what I'm trying to say is that there isn't a standard nose up pitch attitude that all aircraft land, what looks normal on one plane might not look normal on another. Fighters land using AoA anyway, quite frankly I'd often come across pilots that were ex-military that've been used to years of slamming it onto the tarmac (especially those coming from a naval background) as long as they arrest the rate of descent enough to not break the undercarriage.

 

[vincent]

Looks about right when comparing it to this. The high frontal perspective of where the video footage was taken would also make it seem as though the nose was pitched higher than it actually is in the flare.

Never flown fighters, but for reference - the A320 has a 12-13 degrees nose up pitch during the landing flare, leaving about 2 feet (basically from the ground to the average human knee) of clearance before the tail strikes. On the other hand the Dash-8 I used to fly could only pitch up to 5 degrees nose up on touchdown (6 degrees to get a greaser, but you have to be SO careful) before the tail strikes the runway at 7 degrees nose up pitch.

Basically what I'm trying to say is that there isn't a standard nose up pitch attitude that all aircraft land, what looks normal on one plane might not look normal on another. Fighters land using AoA anyway, quite frankly I'd often come across pilots that were ex-military that've been used to years of slamming it onto the tarmac (especially those coming from a naval background) as long as they arrest the rate of descent enough to not break the undercarriage.

in one of my old jobs i used to fly in and out of the US every week. The joke i heard is that one can tell if the pilot is ex-air force or ex-navy by the way he/she lands. The navy type will slam onto the tarmac.

 

[stannislas]

Nope. Just a routine exercise. Golden Helmet is at Dingxin.

Yeah, you are right, it did mentioned about fly hundreds kilometers away...

 

[peroxat]

J-10C vs J-16.

At 3:25, the HUD shows use of PL-10 and its trail, but the pilot said the kill was achieved by gun shot.

So the PL-10 missed its target in the attack?

 

[latenlazy]

in one of my old jobs i used to fly in and out of the US every week. The joke i heard is that one can tell if the pilot is ex-air force or ex-navy by the way he/she lands. The navy type will slam onto the tarmac.

Does this explains why when I was a kid all the Air China flights seemed to have super rough landings?

 

[ougoah]

At 3:25, the HUD shows use of PL-10 and its trail, but the pilot said the kill was achieved by gun shot.

So the PL-10 missed its target in the attack?

Footage is random splicing from older footage, movies, foreign footage etc. It usually has nothing to do with what's being said at that moment. In this case, the HUD showing PL-10 could be footage from years ago. You're reading way too much detail into these sorts of reports. It's clear from the way they're presented they are very controlled material and not meant to be read into since the inconsistencies when it comes to visuals is intentionally ridiculous.

 

[siegecrossbow]

At 3:25, the HUD shows use of PL-10 and its trail, but the pilot said the kill was achieved by gun shot.

So the PL-10 missed its target in the attack?

What’s so unusual about PL-10 missing? Even advanced IR missiles are susceptible to countermeasures.

 

[Deino]

J-10C + JL-10C 68x3x - 72. Brigade

 

[manqiangrexue]

What’s so unusual about PL-10 missing? Even advanced IR missiles are susceptible to countermeasures.

Was this a simulated miss? You can't fire live missiles at other aircraft during mock combat.

 

[plawolf]

Was this a simulated miss? You can't fire live missiles at other aircraft during mock combat.

You don’t waste a live missile to simulate a miss, and you don’t carry live munitions during DACT.

We need to remember that these are entertainment programmes first and foremost, so often editors will splice in unrelated footage just to spice things up a little or to make up the numbers if they didn’t get enough/any actual footage from the event they are reporting on.

Also, looking at the footage again, that is definitely a gun track and not a missile lock (you will get a box/circle around the target with a missile lock), the trail is just the computer projected trail of where your shells will be by the time it reached the distance the enemy plane is if you pulled the trigger. Something you will only see with a gun track.