J-10 Thread IV

sequ

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This pic confuses me. This looks like a J-10B/C at first sight but then I noticed no IRST. The HUD looks like that of the A version but I can't figure out if the MFD's are the small or larger ones. Maybe the lighting of the radome is confusing me or this is a J-10 with a different nosecone????

EDIT: Nvm I think it's a J-10S but the lightening on the radome was confusing me
 

by78

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This pic confuses me. This looks like a J-10B/C at first sight but then I noticed no IRST. The HUD looks like that of the A version but I can't figure out if the MFD's are the small or larger ones. Maybe the lighting of the radome is confusing me or this is a J-10 with a different nosecone????

EDIT: Nvm I think it's a J-10S but the lightening on the radome was confusing me

Note the pitot tube on the nose cone.
 

xyqq

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Based on the length and clearance of opened canopies, the nearby three jets are J-10A and the other three are J-10S.

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This pic confuses me. This looks like a J-10B/C at first sight but then I noticed no IRST. The HUD looks like that of the A version but I can't figure out if the MFD's are the small or larger ones. Maybe the lighting of the radome is confusing me or this is a J-10 with a different nosecone????

EDIT: Nvm I think it's a J-10S but the lightening on the radome was confusing me
 

by78

General
Need to look at the canopy to tell a J-10S from a J-10A. In the picture, the fourth plane's opened canopy reveals J-10S.

You need to read (or re-read) the original comment to which I replied.
 
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Tirdent

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It's definitely true that part of the rationale for installing the AL-31F in the J-10 first was that this engine was a known quantity while the WS-10 wasn't. However, the original plan was a different one, the AL-31F was a short-notice emergency solution and as Hyperwarp says, even in the J-11 the WS-10 initially could not cut it. It's clear that this approach wasn't merely an overabundance of caution, there were known issues of a magnitude that twice forced a departure from the intended path.

As for the rocky start of the F110's career:

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Not an auspicious record for an engine that was supposed to help solve reliability issues (it still did, in a way, as such problems now grounded only one engine sub-fleet, but aspirations would have been a lot higher). As often is the case, people's memories are short when touting the reliability of Western hardware.
 

Hyperwarp

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It's definitely true that part of the rationale for installing the AL-31F in the J-10 first was that this engine was a known quantity while the WS-10 wasn't. However, the original plan was a different one, the AL-31F was a short-notice emergency solution and as Hyperwarp says, even in the J-11 the WS-10 initially could not cut it. It's clear that this approach wasn't merely an overabundance of caution, there were known issues of a magnitude that twice forced a departure from the intended path.

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While the J-11 with WS-10 was grounded due to reliability issues, the engines were in flyable although with very poor MTBO. For the J-10 from what I understood, the engine simply didn't exist at all for the slated 1st flight in 1996. So they had to be re-engined with AL-31FN. This caused parts of the aircraft design itself (such as the intake) to change. Here are some pics from a full-scale mock-up from 1991 (
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