When do you guys think they will publicize the scores? I wonder if the J10Cs (with their AESAs) would be able to reverse the 0-4 the PLAAF's J-11As suffered in 2015.Better one Via LKJ86. It is good that China can compare note with their counterpart in Thailand even if they don't push it to the limit
J-10 Thread IV
- Thread starter Jeff Head
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J-11A's performance isn't as one-sided as you claimed. From what I've gathered the 0-4 was only in beyond visual range combat and the J-11A handled WVR assignments really well. The Thai pilots thought highly of the PLAAF pilots and claimed that they performed better than Western pilots they went up against.
That said, the importance of the Falcon Strike exercises isn't so much who wins and who loses as much as a learning opportunity for PLAAF. Gripens are the only aircraft with Western avionics, airframe, and engine that Chinese fighters could participate in simulated combat against. Is it really that big of a deal to lose when you can learn about the capabilities of AIM-120C/D and IRIS-T?
Isn't this the majority of modern air-to-air combat?
Yeah. So PLAAF learned the lesson that the twist cassegrain radar and avionics on the old J-11A are obsolete. Isn’t this a better way to find this out than getting shot down in actual combat?
coolieno99
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In these friendly combat exercises, the radars are set to training mode. So the real capability of the radars are never revealed . Same with tactics. Only basic tactics are used. In COPE India 2004, India easily beat the USAF, but at the same time , India revealed too much of their innovative tactics. So the "win" is actually a lost.
The point is that the idea of J-11As getting defeated in the BVR domain by Gripen C is not unexpected given how obsolete the technology on J-11A is relative to Gripen C.
Being defeated in the BVR domain by Gripen C is not an unreasonable state of affairs at all and if anything it should be expected simply due to how dependent on technology BVR combat is. You can have the best pilot in the world, but if they are piloting an aircraft with massively inferior technology then they will be defeated in BVR by pilots flying aircraft with superior BVR technology.
If the J-11As really did perform much better in the WVR domain (which is less dependent on technology than BVR at least for the generation of aircraft that J-11A and Gripen C were part of) then that would also reflect well on the J-11A pilot's abilities.
Hendrik_2000
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Beautiful shot
Flying above the highest mountains.
Flying above the highest mountains.
