J-10 Thread IV

[manqiangrexue]

Re #1148, for J10 C , close ups for missile carrying....

4/10 carrying A2A missiles PL10。

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　J 10C ASEA is far superior to the J10B　

　　The tail-end of J10C electronic warfare aerial is basically the same as J10 B

Russian news media claims that 3 J10 C can down 1 F22, its fighting power is greater than 10 times that of J10 A

What? How do they know it takes 3 J-10C to down a Raptor? More than 10 times the fighter power of J-10A? What does that even mean?

 

[AlyxMS]

What? How do they know it takes 3 J-10C to down a Raptor? More than 10 times the fighter power of J-10A? What does that even mean?

The tabloid journalism is strong with this one.

 

[Equation]

Another J 10A crash according to Henri K can someone confirm it. This time due to bird ingested into the engine but the majority of J10 crash are due to engine failure He has some chart to prove it

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According to the Chinese Internet, a J-10A type of fighter plane crashed on 28 September on the lawn of Wuqing Nanhu Amusement Park, located in the northern city of Tianjin. The pilot would safely after ejecting, and no injuries or deaths were reported on the ground.

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Since we are talking only one driver, the device is either a J-10A fighter of the 24th division of the army of the Chinese air, or J-10AY the aerobatic team "1 August ".

According to preliminary informal information, the crash was caused by stopping the engine AL-31FN after having ingested a bird.
The Nanhu Amusement Park Wuqing and Tianjin airbase Yangcun (Source: GigitalGlobe)

The Nanhu Amusement Park Wuqing and Tianjin airbase Yangcun (Source: GigitalGlobe)

The location of the crash is less than 6km from the Yangcun air base, and the axis of the tracks suggests that the J-10A would collided with birds shortly after takeoff. The single reactor unit does not therefore have neither the speed nor the altitude needed to turn around and land at the base.

Note that this is the second crash of J-10 in 2016, the first held in the month of May where a J-10AH Chinese navy crashed in Taizhou, on the east coast of China . The crash of September 28 is the 17th incident since the entry into service of the J-10 in 2005.

Despite multiple measures against bird hazard, Bruno explained in three very detailed articles, the bird strike still represents nearly a quarter of the origin of accidents, but the failures of the engine AL-31FN remain the main cause of crashes or serious incidents.

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Stupid birds. This is how one quickly makes cooked chicken nuggets falling out of the sky.

 

[Iron Man]

What? How do they know it takes 3 J-10C to down a Raptor? More than 10 times the fighter power of J-10A? What does that even mean?

I wonder if the AN/APG-77 can actually zap incoming missiles. I have read whispers before that this is a potential capability of this radar.

 

[Totoro]

I'd say the technical potential is there, but whether it can actually be attempted to use it for that and on top of that whether it's tactically feasible (usual attack directions, usual merge velocities, tracking of missiles and targeting) is another matter.

 

[FORBIN]

Stupid birds. This is how one quickly makes cooked chicken nuggets falling out of the sky.

LOL and one in the oven

Great @davidau ...
do you think there will be any upgrade of existing J-10B to J-10C .... or even J-10A to J-10C (avionic wise)

For radar depends electrical power mainly, i know a Rafale can host the 2 radar variants PESA and AESA without modifications so for J-10A/B maybe possible but the best is more expensive so in general Air Forces can' t buy new radars for fighters yet in service.

About AESA radar for J-10C some have a designation, range, number of targets/modules ?

 

[Iron Man]

in general Air Forces can' t buy new radars for fighters yet in service.

See the AN/APG-63V2 and V3 iterations for the F-15C/D, the AN/APG-82V1 for the F-15E, and multiple AESA radars in contention to retrofit the F-16C/D. Granted, the USAF is only country with enough money (or rather that can print the money) to upgrade its legacy fighters with modern radars, but the PLAAF and PLANAF should no doubt be able to do the same in the years to come.

 

[Deino]

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For radar depends electrical power mainly, i know a Rafale can host the 2 radar variants PESA and AESA without modifications so for J-10A/B maybe possible but the best is more expensive so in general Air Forces can' t buy new radars for fighters yet in service.

IMO the main issue besides electrical power is simply a structural one. The radome + final front-fuselage section of the A-10B/C is very much different to the J-10A. As such - even if maybe possible - it would require a rebuild of the entire forward section to replace the engine. IMO the A-model will maybe later get a n MLU in form of a modified AESA but surely not in form of being rebuild to J-10B/C-standard.

Deino

 

[siegecrossbow]

IMO the main issue besides electrical power is simply a structural one. The radome + final front-fuselage section of the A-10B/C is very much different to the J-10A. As such - even if maybe possible - it would require a rebuild of the entire forward section to replace the engine. IMO the A-model will maybe later get a n MLU in form of a modified AESA but surely not in form of being rebuild to J-10B/C-standard.

Deino

I wonder if the F-16A had similar issues upgrading from mechanical to AESA.

 

[FORBIN]

I wonder if the F-16A had similar issues upgrading from mechanical to AESA.

I don't think, I don' t have détails but Taiwanese F-16A/B Block 20 MLU upgraded soon to V standard, F-16V, with APG-83 AESA and make again more sense more recent C/B can be also.