J-10 Thread III (Closed to posting)

[farooqi]

Lion be careful, it is well know for certain members to make a new account and make such posts under pre-text of different nationalitys

anyone who calls himself a "long time defence enthusiast" should know the answer to such a question, making a muslim name (pretending to be Pakistani) and posting on a forum isnt very hard, pretending to over-hype and simply troll

any Pakistani would not ask such a question, mods please be alerted

Asif Bhai;

I understand what you are saying. Believe me I am a Pakistani Muslim living in USA was born and raise in Lahore. You can ask me any question about Lahore and Karachi. Yes I am a long time defence enthusiast. Asking a simple question should not make me a troll. The news of India buying Rafales caught my attention and my Indian friends over in Houston are constantly bragging about it. I have done extensive research about J10B (globalsecurity.org etc) and I could not find a real answer to my question. My defence enthusiasm was limited to Pakistan nuclear and ballistic missile capabilities and like I said above this Rafale purchase caught my attention. I was not trying to inflame anything.

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Those aircraft will take long time to be inducted.. In fact, IAF is fearing itself for the vulnerable period of now to 2017 where large number of MIG-21 bison arr retiring. As for PAFKA, it's not even confirm yet. We haven even seen it in service for the Russia airforce. It's still a big question mark. As for J-10, with a decent AESA install and ECM, it will be as good as Rafale.

Thanks

 

[Hyperwarp]

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if Pakistan gets J10B it can wipe the floor against Rafale any day of the week but right now PAF simply cant even absorb a new fighter, especially something as sophisticated as J10B...

Now, lets not get carried away. First of all we don't know exactly what systems the J-10B is carrying and how well it compares to the Rafale systems (SPECTRA, OSF, RBE2 AA, etc). Hui Tong says the J-10B should be comparable to the F-16E/Block 60.

 

[vesicles]

Asif Bhai;
The news of India buying Rafales caught my attention and my Indian friends over in Houston are constantly bragging about it.

So you also live in Houston? Howdy partner!

 

[farooqi]

So you also live in Houston? Howdy partner!

Howdy

 

[asif iqbal]

Asif Bhai;

I understand what you are saying. Believe me I am a Pakistani Muslim living in USA was born and raise in Lahore. You can ask me any question about Lahore and Karachi. Yes I am a long time defence enthusiast. Asking a simple question should not make me a troll. The news of India buying Rafales caught my attention and my Indian friends over in Houston are constantly bragging about it. I have done extensive research about J10B (globalsecurity.org etc) and I could not find a real answer to my question. My defence enthusiasm was limited to Pakistan nuclear and ballistic missile capabilities and like I said above this Rafale purchase caught my attention. I was not trying to inflame anything.

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Thanks

my apologys

India will only get its first 18 Rafale in fly away condition in 2015, and that is if all goes to plan, we all know Indian purchases are delayed and delayed again

by 2015 Pakistan Air Force will be fielding the JF17 Block II, and quite a few number of them at that

next year Pac Kamra will produce around 20 JF17s and 2014 around 25, before reaching its maximum capacity of 30 aircraft per year in 2015

also by 2015 Pakistan will field 60 F16 MLU and 36 F16 C/D Block 52+, so the odds are not bad, in 2015 our biggest threat will still be the Indian Sukhoi 30 MKI

there is no question Rafale is a fine aircraft but war isnt all about better equipment, if we can do more with what we have and get more out of what we know there is no reason why Pakistan should be worried by the Indian purchase

by the time India fields Rafale in large enough numbers J10B will certainly be on the cards for PAF, so whats the fuss?

I still believe the biggest issue for Pakistan is indeed not Rafale but Su30 MKI, it is a headache every air chief must have faced

however, Pakistan airforce being the effiicient and effective fighting force that it is has already developed a stratedgy to defeat the Sukhoi threat

Pakistan has been aquiring much information about Flankers, and few years ago flew PAF against PLAAF J11s with the chance to fly them too

here are some pics from that execise

you maybe wondering why is this relavent, well because it gives PAF a inside look into the kind of air war they will be fighting with IAF, things like these make difference, and even could turn the tide in war, its all about preparation and tatics, information and knowledge, knowing ur strenghts and weakness and well as ur enemys

there was talk in the Indian military that the reason they didnt go for Typhoon is because Saudi Arabia operates them, which means Pakistan would have access to information regarding the Typhoon, this tells us alot

funny thing is, Qatar, Kuwait and UAE are also planning for Rafale, if that happens u can be sure Pakistan will also have access to them and India will be back to sqaure one

 

[farooqi]

my apologys

India will only get its first 18 Rafale in fly away condition in 2015, and that is if all goes to plan, we all know Indian purchases are delayed and delayed again

by 2015 Pakistan Air Force will be fielding the JF17 Block II, and quite a few number of them at that

next year Pac Kamra will produce around 20 JF17s and 2014 around 25, before reaching its maximum capacity of 30 aircraft per year in 2015

also by 2015 Pakistan will field 60 F16 MLU and 36 F16 C/D Block 52+, so the odds are not bad, in 2015 our biggest threat will still be the Indian Sukhoi 30 MKI

there is no question Rafale is a fine aircraft but war isnt all about better equipment, if we can do more with what we have and get more out of what we know there is no reason why Pakistan should be worried by the Indian purchase

by the time India fields Rafale in large enough numbers J10B will certainly be on the cards for PAF, so whats the fuss?

I still believe the biggest issue for Pakistan is indeed not Rafale but Su30 MKI, it is a headache every air chief must have faced

however, Pakistan airforce being the effiicient and effective fighting force that it is has already developed a stratedgy to defeat the Sukhoi threat

Pakistan has been aquiring much information about Flankers, and few years ago flew PAF against PLAAF J11s with the chance to fly them too


you maybe wondering why is this relavent, well because it gives PAF a inside look into the kind of air war they will be fighting with IAF, things like these make difference, and even could turn the tide in war, its all about preparation and tatics, information and knowledge, knowing ur strenghts and weakness and well as ur enemys

there was talk in the Indian military that the reason they didnt go for Typhoon is because Saudi Arabia operates them, which means Pakistan would have access to information regarding the Typhoon, this tells us alot

funny thing is, Qatar, Kuwait and UAE are also planning for Rafale, if that happens u can be sure Pakistan will also have access to them and India will be back to sqaure one

Thanks Asif Sahib.

One thing I don't understand is that why can't we go for twin engine planes. It might be the operating cost and other issues may be. But limiting PAF to single engine planes may not be a wise thing in my uninformed opinion.

 

[Subedei]

Actually, i don't think the Rafale was purchased as an interceptor primarily, but as a reliable multi-role aircraft. i'd think the PAF J10-Bs would be more likely to face IAF MKIs in the interceptor role in air combat. The MKI program is fairly mature at this point and is probably quite effective. Although India's not my favorite international entity, i must say that i do admire their approach to arms acquisitions. It's very intelligent. MKI, Rafale, Pak-Fa, and BrahMos seem to be quite sound decisions.

 

[farooqi]

Actually, i don't think the Rafale was purchased as an interceptor primarily, but as a reliable multi-role aircraft. i'd think the PAF J10-Bs would be more likely to face IAF MKIs in the interceptor role in air combat. The MKI program is fairly mature at this point and is probably quite effective. Although India's not my favorite international entity, i must say that i do admire their approach to arms acquisitions. It's very intelligent. MKI, Rafale, Pak-Fa, and BrahMos seem to be quite sound decisions.

Yes I know. But I beleive PAF and our Chinese friends must be planning about it. I beleive PAF needs to take twine engine route.

 

[Subedei]

I beleive PAF needs to take twine engine route.

I'm not sure that PAF will ever be able to afford a twin-engined 4.5 gen aircraft.

Actually, the one approach I do think that PLAAF has taken that's superior to IAF's is the single/twin engine mix. Possibly, they leaned this from the USAF with its F-15, 16 and F-35, 22 combos. Right now, both the Russian combat aircraft industry's major products, and the IAF's three major acquisitions programs consist of formidable platforms, but they're all twin-engined. That' will eventually get expensive.

And, for a while, I questioned PLAAF's lack of tandem multi-roles, (like MKI and Pak-Fa) but it seems that they are fast developing that capacity with J-11 BS and it's variants.

 

[asif iqbal]

F6 and A5 were twin engine and served PAF for best part of 3 decades