J-10 carrier version revealed

Pointblank

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I implied in post #886 why should a navalized J-10 be absolutely twin-engine? The answer I got doesn't satisfy me. Only AV-8B Harrier is entirely STOVL, & F-35) has a CTOL version besides STOVL. IMO, given a higher TWR and TVC engine, the land-based J-10 can be navalized further without much (if any) decrease in performance. Please correct me if I'm wrong- is there anything I've missed?

You aim for a twin engine design for naval fighters due to the increase safety margins two engines have over one, especially if your engine technology may not be at a level where reliability becomes second nature to engine design. The F-35 is the first conventional naval fighter to use a single engine as the engine technology for the Americans is at a point where the engine is expected to be extremely reliable in service, and has a long engine life.
 

Jeff Head

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The F-35 is the first conventional naval fighter to use a single engine as the engine technology for the Americans is at a point where the engine is expected to be extremely reliable in service, and has a long engine life.
Not entirely so.

The F-8 Crusader, the A-4 Skyhawk, and the A-7 Corsair II were all very successful US naval carrier aircraft of the jet age which had only one engine.

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F-8 Crusader


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A-4 Skyhawk

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A-7 Corsair II

A-4 Skyhawks are still in service with the Brazillian Navy off of their carrier, Sao Paulo, the former French Foch. The F-8 served until 1987 with US forces (recon role) and with the French Navy until 2000. The A-7 served in US service until 1993, and with Protugal until 2001. All three of these aircraft took part in Desert Storm in 1991 (the F-8 with France). Pretty amazing carrers for all of them, particularly the A-4 and F-8 which were designed and became operational in the 1950s
 
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Sczepan

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A-4 Skyhawks are still in service with the Brazillian Navy off of their carrier, Sao Paulo, the former French Foch. ..... Pretty amazing carrers for all of them, particularly the A-4 and F-8 which were designed and became operational in the 1950s

indeed, and I'd like to compare A-4 Skyhawks, the chinese L-15 Falcon, the JL-9, - FTC-2000 Mountain Eagle (ShanYing) and the new J-10 by dimensions, wight and powering ....
the A-4 Skyhawks was used by catapult carriers, esp. the ex Argentinian "25 de Mayo"
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and the Brazil "Minas Gerais"
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and the good ole Melbourne
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broken und studied by chinese naval engineers

and I just add to have the simple result:

which design could become the first indegenious chinese carrier
usable as helo-carrier and to train jet-pilots and support amphibious operations -
which plane could be used from these carrier-derivate?

My five cents:
a navalised J-10 will be the secound part,
at first the PLAN will use trainee-aircrafts (I prefer the L-15)

and so we will have a lot of time - lets say at least 10 yrs from now - to discuss about J-10 carrier version revealed in Chinese Military Aviation forum

in this time we will see a lot of fan art and speculations, and small numbers of real background

so shouldn't we add this thread to our "SF - fun" section?
 
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Jeff, That F-8 pic is a photo recon bird. See the little window in the fuselage just lower to the right of the star?

That creates a question..Will there evere be a photo recon version of a J-10? Or does the PLAAF have another aircraft in mind the photo recon role?
 

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The Skyhawk is 34 years old; yet export models are still highly regarded and undergoing modern avionics, weapons, and engine upgrades to maintain their flying prowess into the next century.
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is currently in service with the Armed Forces of Singapore, Indonesia, Israel, Argentina and Brazil. It was withdrawn from USMC front-line and reserve service in 1992. Several other countries are also currently considering purchasing surplus USN/USMC Skyhawk's for use in front line service and training and support roles. It is expected that the Skyhawk will remain in service around the world for at least another ten years. The aircraft is also operated by several companies providing flying training and "Adversary or Aggressor" Services to the USN, USAF and other militaries . Early Skyhawks were fitted with a Curtis-Wright J65-W-4 turbojet engine, producing 7800lbs of thrust. Later variants (including New Zealand’s aircraft) were fitted with the Pratt and Whitney J52-P-8A/B/C turbojet, producing 9300lbs of thrust. An even more powerful variant of this engine, the J-52-P-408 of 11200lbs thrust, was also available and was fitted to most Skyhawks built after 1970. The Republic of Singapore Air Force has fitted a non after-burning General Electric F404 turbofan engine (as used in the F-18) to it’s upgraded A-4S-1 aircraft (modified former USN A-4B’s). In this form the engine produces 10800lbs of thrust, with much better reliability and fuel consumption than the original Curtis-Wright J65 engine.The Skyhawk is capable of carrying literally hundreds of combinations of external stores including fuel tanks, both conventional and nuclear bombs, rockets, and Sidewinder missiles. Armament consists of two 20-mm cannons, one of which is mounted in each wing root.
The Skyhawk has a remarkably low gross weight of 18,311 pounds but can deliver a weapons load of 2,040 pounds at a mission radius of 680 miles with two 300-gallon external tanks; unrefueled ferry range is 2130 miles. Maximum speed of the aircraft is 673 miles per hour (Mach 0.88) at sea level, and cruising speed is 498 miles per hour. Ceiling is just over 40 000 feet. Certainly, the aircraft has an impressive performance for a lightweight attack aircraft.
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of them as trainers.
Having 2 engines impoves safety margin of older type jet aircraft, but it doesn't make them crash proof. We lost an
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(this pic. is of another "lucky" one) in the Gulf- it had 1 engine out, but the flight deck waved it off as they weren't ready for it- then it run out of fuel on the other engine and the crew ejected & was lated rescued.
On 15 June 1999, two aviators were rescued from the waters of the Arabian Gulf after they ejected safely from an F-14 Tomcat. The aircraft was returning to Kitty Hawk when the crew declared a mechanical emergency. Rescue swimmers from Helicopter Anti-Submarine Squadron (HS) 14 embarked aboard the carrier, and Helicopter Anti-Submarine Squadron (Light) (HSL) 51 embarked aboard USS Chancellorsville (CG 62), recovered both crewmen from the water and transported them to Kitty Hawk. Both aviators were uninjured and released after undergoing an extensive medical examination.
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Having more than 1 engine also adds to higher fuel consumption. So, the J-10 can be navalized "as is"-i.e. without extensive redesigning/increasing the # of engines!
 
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(this pic. is of another "lucky" one) in the Gulf- it had 1 engine out, but the flight deck waved it off as they weren't ready for it- then it run out of fuel on the other engine and the crew ejected & was lated rescued.

Having more than 1 engine also adds to higher fuel consumption. So, the J-10 can be navalized "as is"-i.e. without extensive redesigning/increasing the # of engines!

Is there a possiblity for the j-10 to increase its internal fuel tank just like the f-16 did or the design is fixed
 

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Jeff, That F-8 pic is a photo recon bird. See the little window in the fuselage just lower to the right of the star?

That creates a question..Will there evere be a photo recon version of a J-10? Or does the PLAAF have another aircraft in mind the photo recon role?

Probably not in the meantime or even in the near future. The photo recon role is perfectly suited with the current J-8II fighters, whose forte is high speed, high altitude flight, and mods to that effect appear to be happening. Previously, the role was used with first generation J-8I fighters.

Is there a possiblity for the j-10 to increase its internal fuel tank just like the f-16 did or the design is fixed


That should not be a problem since it looks like internal fuel capacity is carefully considered in the J-10 in the first place. The delta wings and its large long root could hold two very large fuel bladders. In addition the hump in the back appear like you can put fuel on that too.
 
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That should not be a problem since it looks like internal fuel capacity is carefully considered in the J-10 in the first place. The delta wings and its large long root could hold two very large fuel bladders. In addition the hump in the back appear like you can put fuel on that too.

Also the Chinese can design conformal fuel tanks to be fitted on the airplane, as a replacement for the normal externals.
 

maozedong

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If that J-10 carrier version is real, should not call J-10 again.
chinese J-7 progressed to twin engin plane is called J-8s, so, it sould call J-13,( J-12 project miscarriaged ) if J-13 improved to some stealty design, sould call J-xx, just like the version below:

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