Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

FriedButter

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The story got changed again.

“We send Special Envoy Steve Witkoff to warn Qatar.”

“We didn’t know where Israel was gonna bomb Hamas.”

Why was Qatar warned if you didn’t know anything about it.

When Trump learned about it, he directed U.S. special envoy Witkoff to warn Qatar it was coming, she said.

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The official declined to say when exactly the U.S. received the warning from Israel, noting only "it wasn't sufficient enough to adequately warn regional partners."

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Then this begs the question of why Qatar even needs an Air Force in the first place. They are only allowed to defend against Iran/Hezebollah and not Israel anyway, so why not just funnel the funds to IDF so they can have a base on Qatar from which they can operate?
Qatar has been trying to build influence around the Horn of Africa: they enjoy sailing their toy ships around and backing various parties in the region.
Turkey better start mass building those TAI_TF_Kaan fighter jets and ever middle eastern country start buying them
If Turkey were to come into conflict with Israel, how are they going to source the engines/parts/electronics needed to build the Kaan?
 

han1289

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sequ

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If Turkey were to come into conflict with Israel, how are they going to source the engines/parts/electronics needed to build the Kaan?
Electronics is no issue, engines can come from Russia but will delay the project.

What's more pressing is the various ways Turkiye can get hit. Akkuyu NPP or even the total loss of TRNC to a Greek/Cypriot/Zio alliance. What can they do if such an alliance decides to impose a no-fly zone over TRNC and have Greek forces capture the entire island with Zio air support? Nothing at the moment.

And with those air launched Lora's, they can make sure the Turkish defence industry will never be a threat to them. They only need to strike TAI, Baykar, Aselsan and as a bonus Roketsan which is surely in their capacity to do so.
 
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plawolf

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What are they going to do about it? The Qataris, who owns the Shard, the Ritz, Harrods, etc thinks all these assets gives them acceptance and entry to Western society, but really it just gives the British government leverage over them.


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Allegedly.

Did you not read what the Qataris said? The region needs to retaliate. Translation: someone else please do it!
 

Franklin

Captain
The Americans and the Israeli's did it again. They keep attacking and killing people that they are negotiating with at the mids of talks. First it was Ismail Haniyeh who was negotiating on behalve of Hamas for a ceasefire in Gaza. He was killed in Teheran last year in a government guest house by the Israeli's when he was in Iran to attend the inauguration of the new Iranian president.

Then in june just 2 days before a new round of negotiations between America and Iran over Iran's nuclear program. Israel launched its 12 Day War against Iran that involves killing Iranian nuclear scientists and their families.

And now this attack in Qatar against the members of the Hamas negotiation team at the mids of talks for a new ceasefire in Gaza.

These people have no shame or honor.
 

Minm

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It would be perfectly in keeping with our current stupidest timeline for NATO to be irretrievably broken by Israel attacking Turkey and the rest of NATO doing the most amazing mental gymnastics to explain why Article 5 doesn’t apply, thereby neatly nullifying the whole fucking point to NATO.
Article 5 doesn't cover Ankara.

The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all
Almost all of Turkey is in Asia. Very easy to argue NATO protection doesn't apply. But Turkey, like Iran and unlike the Arabs, can hit back and isn't ruled by cowards
 

tankphobia

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The Americans and the Israeli's did it again. They keep attacking and killing people that they are negotiating with at the mids of talks. First it was Ismail Haniyeh who was negotiating on behalve of Hamas for a ceasefire in Gaza. He was killed in Teheran last year in a government guest house by the Israeli's when he was in Iran to attend the inauguration of the new Iranian president.

Then in june just 2 days before a new round of negotiations between America and Iran over Iran's nuclear program. Israel launched its 12 Day War against Iran that involves killing Iranian nuclear scientists and their families.

And now this attack in Qatar against the members of the Hamas negotiation team at the mids of talks for a new ceasefire in Gaza.

These people have no shame or honor.
Ever heard of the idiom "兵不厭詐"? Shame and honor is for people who are afraid of consequences. What can Hamas do against Israel? They kept crossing these so called red lines repeatedly and other than some weak condemnation all we've seen is groveling from gulf and greater Muslim states.

It is basically proving trump right that they're just a bunch of paper tigers incapable of independent foreign policy and that they deserved to be bullied by Israel. Turns out having a bit of backbone like north Korea actually leads to tangible outcomes like not getting your country bombed in daylight at leisure. And by backbone I don't mean symbolic actions like hitting a few cargo ships like Yemen, they need to hurt enough to decisively cause the enemy to reconsider.
 
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