Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

TK3600

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ZeEa5KPul said:
There's been a lot of ink spilled on this issue given recent events, so I might as well spill some of my own.

The "Palestinian cause" is actually two distinct issues that are equivocated:
  • The cause of the Palestinian people to live in peace, dignity, and prosperity on an internationally recognized independent territory and to be free of oppression by Israel. I think every morally sound person supports this cause.
  • The second and much more insidious cause is the Al-Aqsa mosque cause. This cause states that a piece of divinely significant real estate must be under Muslim control. Life doesn't matter to this cause, if sacrificing every Palestinian could secure this building in Muslim hands, then supporters of this cause wouldn't hesitate to do it. This is the cause Hamas supports and would happily get the Palestinian people killed over.
It would be helpful to make this distinction clear and ask which "Palestinian cause" people care about. Do they care about people or do they care about buildings?
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First off, Al-Aqsa Mosque is in UN Palestinian half of border. Second they forbid Muslim access to the Mosque and desecrated it. This is entirely the fault of Israel. They could have resolve the situation this instant by letting Muslim access them again. There is not much benefit to gain for Israel to act like this, yet they do it anyway out of pettiness. Classic case of fuck around and find out.
 
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typexx said:
It called yasin but whole rpg looks alot different than the first yasin version
New warhead looks like pg 7vr
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They had russian and nk atgms
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This article is really myopic. The PG-7VR design was licensed to other countries including Egypt. It is not just produced in Russia.
As for the Kornet, it has been widely licensed as well, and there are licensed producers in Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Iran, North Korea, and other countries. Not just Russia either.
 
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typexx said:
It called yasin but whole rpg looks alot different than the first yasin version
New warhead looks like pg 7vr


They had russian and nk atgms
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It seems to be a locally made tandem warhead RPG that can punch through the armor of a merkava (the side, at least). Gotta say, for the meager resources they have, that's mighty impressive.
 
FriedButter

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ZeEa5KPul said:
The second and much more insidious cause is the Al-Aqsa mosque cause. This cause states that a piece of divinely significant real estate must be under Muslim control. Life doesn't matter to this cause, if sacrificing every Palestinian could secure this building in Muslim hands, then supporters of this cause wouldn't hesitate to do it. This is the cause Hamas supports and would happily get the Palestinian people killed over.
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Rather an oversimplification of the religious problems over the Al-Aqsa Mosque. Just to add some more context. This place contains the Dome of the Rock which is the third holiest place for Muslim. That same land where the Al-Aqua Mosque stands so happens to be the very same place where the Second Temple was destroyed by the Romans.

Now we all know Israel over the last several decades has been making slow and steady encroachment on Palestinian lands. Then combined with the stuff @TK3600 mentioned. It isn’t a surprise about why they don’t exactly trust Israel having direct control over the holy site for Muslims that used to be one of the holiest Jewish temple.

One more important thing to talk about is Israel Minister of Security Ben Gvir. This guy is an ultranationalist who was appointed for less then a year and during that time has visited the place 3 times with a 4th one planned.

Ben-Gvir, one of the most divisive figures in Israeli politics, has been convicted in the past of anti-Arab racism and has said he believes that the status quo at Israel’s holy sites should be changed.

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Iran’s FM Amir Abdollahian in an interview with Ofogh TV:

“If the opportunity (ceasefire) is lost, there's no escape from opening new fronts against Israel.

“Time is running out, and the resistance has the capability to engage in long-term wars with the enemy.

“Any preemptive action by the Resistance Axis in the coming hours is conceivable.” (note: didn't mention Iran specifically)

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Iran’s FM Amir Abdolahian in an interview with Ofogh TV:

"We told the Americans that you cannot demand that Hezbullah exercise restraint while allowing Netanyahu to commit any crime"

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Pentagon puts troops on notice to prepare to deploy to support Israel: reports​

Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin has ordered a select number of U.S. troops to prepare to deploy in support of Israel, multiple outlets have reported.

About 2,000 such troops were chosen this weekend to be ready to assist with advising and medical support, The Wall Street Journal first reported.

The forces will be pulled from across the U.S. armed services, with the troops currently stationed inside the Middle East and in nearby Europe. But officials have not said which units were chosen or the location they would deploy to, according to the Journal.

The outlet noted the troops wouldn’t serve in a combat role, and no infantry had been put on prepare-to-deploy order.

Fox News later reported Monday that Austin has given “be ready to deploy” orders for a select number of American troops.

Deputy Defense press secretary Sabrina Singh declined to confirm the reports to members of the press Monday.

“I don’t have more to provide at this time,” she told reporters at the Pentagon. “I might be able to give you more details later, but at this time, I just don’t have anything more specific to add.”

Israel’s war with Hamas, the militant group that controls the Gaza Strip, has claimed more than 4,000 lives and counting on both sides after Hamas’s bloody surprise assault on Israel on Oct. 7.

The U.S. has continuously expressed support for Israel after the country was attacked, with the Pentagon over the weekend announcing it was sending a second carrier strike group to the Eastern Mediterranean. The strike group is meant to act as a deterrence amid concerns foreign aggressors could engage in the war and will join the USS Gerald Ford group, which is already there.

Washington has also sent munitions and interceptors for Israel’s Iron Dome defense system and moved fighter jets to the region.

The Pentagon’s decision to put troops on standby signals a new layer of support for Israeli troops.

Defense officials have insisted, however, that the Pentagon has no intention of putting U.S. forces on the ground.

Instead, the U.S. is helping Israeli officials with “intelligence and planning” for any potential operations to rescue hostages.
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The “no boots on the ground” statement lasted about a week.
 
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tamsen_ikard

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Stierlitz said:
Iran’s FM Amir Abdollahian in an interview with Ofogh TV:

“If the opportunity (ceasefire) is lost, there's no escape from opening new fronts against Israel.

“Time is running out, and the resistance has the capability to engage in long-term wars with the enemy.

“Any preemptive action by the Resistance Axis in the coming hours is conceivable.” (note: didn't mention Iran specifically)

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Iran’s FM Amir Abdolahian in an interview with Ofogh TV:

"We told the Americans that you cannot demand that Hezbullah exercise restraint while allowing Netanyahu to commit any crime"

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The way Iran has become the primary defender of the Palestinians, it is slowly becoming a hero in the eyes of the muslims all over the world, who are deeply emotional about the Palestinian cause and also the defense of Al Aqsa Mosque.

So, Shia Iran which is not even Arab is becoming the "Defender of the Faith" while supposed Sunni superpowers like Turkey stay on the side lines and supposed leader of the Arabs or Muslims in general Saudi Arabia is seen as too much into Israeli pocket.

This is a huge loss of credibility for Arab countries like Saudi Arabia or Egypt.

So, can they continue to stay on the sidelines like this while Iran gains huge prestige?

I don't think so. I think sooner or later they will have to do something kinetic against Israel as well to maintain their credibility among the muslim and Arab population.
 
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