Israeli-Palestinian Conflict and other Related Conflicts in the Middle East (read the rules in the first post)

plawolf

plawolf

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eprash said:
So more tunnel warfare? Why would IDF start a war with Hezbollah, that would just make their situation more untenable
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That’s true, but there are other factors to consider, chief of which is Israel’s desire and need to draw America directly into the fight so they can send American GIs to grind Hamas and Hezbollah rather than their own under-trained, poorly equipped and badly motivated and plainly inadequate conscripts.

Also, Hezbollah has been bleeding Israel all this time with its thousand cut attacks. I bet many Israeli generals feel the only reason Hezbollah is able to do this is because they have an arm tied behind their backs and demand the politicians take the gloves off the soldiers. There are always such generals in every army in every fight. Doesn’t make them right, but their arguments can be hard to resist.

Opening a second front may also ease their Gaza fight somewhat as some of the weapons and supplies being smuggled into Gaza to sustain Hamas may be redirected to Lebanon in the event of open war with Hezbollah.

Also, right now Israel feels it desperately needs a clean ‘win’ to restore some of the IDF’s tattered reputation and Israel’s deterrence power. Fighting Hezbollah and drawing in America may be the first step to fighting Iran, what Israel feels is the ultimate source of all their troubles.

Getting America sucked into invading and occupying and then ultimately abandoning Iran will remove Iran as a serious threat to Israel for at least a generation and also stop Iran from getting the bomb, what many in Israel considers and existential threat.

So there are a lot of layers and reasons. Not all of them good or correct, but that doesn’t stop them being persuasive to those in power.
 
_killuminati_

_killuminati_

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Should IDF enter into southern Lebanon and simultaneously withdraw from Gaza, then Palestinians should take every opportunity to bleed Israel from the south just as Hezbollah had been doing from the north, or even attempt crossing the border.

I feel like Hezbollah missed a greater opportunity by just firing from behind the border when it had pretty much become clear that IDF will soon come after Lebanon.
 
plawolf

plawolf

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_killuminati_ said:
Should IDF enter into southern Lebanon and simultaneously withdraw from Gaza, then Palestinians should take every opportunity to bleed Israel from the south just as Hezbollah had been doing from the north, or even attempt crossing the border.

I feel like Hezbollah missed a greater opportunity by just firing from behind the border when it had pretty much become clear that IDF will soon come after Lebanon.
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As already pointed out, Hezbollah doesn’t have the offensive capabilities to make serious inroads into Israel itself. Especially not after Israel massively reinforced its northern boarder. That’s the limitation that you cannot easily get past when the enemy has air dominance - you need heavy weapons and a lot of it to punch through enemy in-depth defences. But heavy weapons and armour are hard countered by enemy tac air.

Hezbollah is geared for defence, not offence. That is the primary reason they didn’t launch any major offensives thus far. If they did, the Israelis would have crushed them, destroyed their best fighters and weapons, and then had a far easier time counter attacking into Lebanon to root out their bases.

Baiting Israel to come to them is the right play to maximise their advantages and inflict maximum damage to the IDF.

Also, I don’t think the Israelis will withdraw from Gaza even if they do go into Lebanon. Gaza is the real prize. They want to ethnically cleanse Gaza of Palestinians. Pulling out after committing genocide will just see everything go back to the way it was despite taking all the reputation damage for Israel. It would be a stupid move for them to make. Going into Lebanon is to facilitate them being able to fully ethnically cleanse Gaza. They have gone too far to stop now. The only way the Israelis relent is if an outside power forces them. Otherwise I think the will see their plan out to the bitter end and damn the consequences.
 
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emblem21

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siegecrossbow said:
MSM will just say that the babies were asking for it because HAMAS initiates conflicts or something.
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Ultimately, if the Jews receive another one of those situations that resemble the horrors that are visited into them like WW2, I personally will have no sympathy this time around and in fact sometimes I feel in context of what they have done until now, these horrible entitled people haven’t remotely learnt the lesson from under that man with a mustach and just like in the past, are long overdue to be scattered to the four corners, on a more permanent basis. They simply don’t deserve to be on that land as they have no respect for anyone and this don’t deserve any in return. Nazis in any form deserve worse then death and the acts of these Jews greatly resemble them in every way
 
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