Israeli Military Says Missile Struck Warship Instead of Drone

tphuang said:

but why would you want a proximity fuse for your anti ship missile instead of an impact fuse?

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My comment was not geared so much as towards the utility of such a design as it was to the possibility. It could be done...but when expending a missile of that sort, you would clearly want penetration as your first option.

If, for some reason, the missiloe was going to miss at close range and your sensors on board could detect it, then it would be good to have a secondary capability to blow up when it came to its closest approach so as to inflict some damage as opposed to none with a clean miss.

tphuang said:

"From now on we have to assume that every weapon that exists in Iran has also been supplied to Hizbullah in Lebanon," a senior IDF source told Jane's. "We are prepared for more surprises," said Maj Gen Eisenkot.

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Hmm...that clearly should have been their thinking form the beginning since it was well known that Iran supported and supplied Hezbollah, and that the Iranians had the C-802. Inexcusable lapse IMHO, that almost cost them one of their most sophisticated vessels.

bd popeye said:

If the system was off...the CO of that operation and the ship should be relieved of command. Some "defense experts" feel the ship may have been to close to shore for the system to be effective. I ain't buyin' that either....

I knew the full story. And I wish the IDF would release some pictures of the damage.

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The more I have read and talked with others, both inside and oustide the community, the more I am convinced that the vessel was stood down in terms of its anit-missile defense. Inexcusable, and heads should roll. PC and foggy bottom type management gone amuck I too continue to look for post engagement damage pictures. They are not to be found yet.

Jeff Head said:

The more I have read and talked with others, both inside and oustide the community, the more I am convinced that the vessel was stood down in terms of its anit-missile defense. Inexcusable, and heads should roll. PC and foggy bottom type management gone amuck I too continue to look for post engagement damage pictures. They are not to be found yet.

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Jeff Head ok lets think this through

1. The system was off and the missile hit. Why not release images of the
damage since clearly that indicates that it was human error and not a
system error.

2. The system was on and the missile hit. Why not release images ? Because
that would show the weaknesses in the system.

3. The missile didn't hit and the Israeli's are just pretending in order to
lull the Iranians or others. Possible.

Therefore the only explanations are 2 & 3

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Even if #1 was not the case, they still could have blamed human error and released the pictures. There's always the chance that the operator would take part in a cover-up, accept a formal slap on the wrist and then a quiet promotion in a year or two.

At the end of the day, it's embarrassing for the Navy to admit that the ship was hit at all. So they're hardly going to race to publish pictures, given their strongest critics will probably never believe them anyway.

FreeAsia2000 said:

3. The missile didn't hit and the Israeli's are just pretending in order to
lull the Iranians or others. Possible.

Therefore the only explanations are 2 & 3

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Number 3 is not possible. Nasrallah said "Look at the Israeli warship burning", it was seen hit off of the coast of Beiruit and the Hezbollah-side media (ie AL Manar TV, Al Jazerra) reported it before any Israeli or western sources. So therefore it wasn't an Israeli bluff. And I'm not sure what you mean by "lull the Iranians or others," but the Iranians and Hezbollah wouldn't be fooled because they would know if the missle had been launched or not and would probably know if it was a hit.

FreeAsia2000 said:

Jeff Head ok lets think this through

1. The system was off and the missile hit. Why not release images of the
damage since clearly that indicates that it was human error and not a
system error.

2. The system was on and the missile hit. Why not release images ? Because
that would show the weaknesses in the system.

3. The missile didn't hit and the Israeli's are just pretending in order to
lull the Iranians or others. Possible.

Therefore the only explanations are 2 & 3

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Sorry, but the logic doesn't hold for me. If they did not have the system on at the start of the engagement, it does not mean that the IDF personnel could not react in time to get some form of defence up before the engagement ended, particulalry the CIWS could have been spun up and detonated the missile close enough in to damage the ship, but not destroy it. In such a scenario, according to your own logic, point number two would come into play, even though the system was off at the time the engagement started.

In addition, the IDF, IMHO, will not be interested in or excited about displaying damage to their ship under any circumstances if they can avoid it. Not displaying or having the pictures available denies their enemy, whom they are still fighting, or future enemies, the opportunity to do BDA and improve their own tactics whether they system was on or not.

Just my thoughts.

The Israeli naval vessel Hanit which was struck by an Iranian C-802 missile off the coast of Beirut three weeks ago, killing four soldiers, returned to sea on Sunday morning.

Navy crews worked around-the-clock to repair the damage and the ship reassumed its combat role in Lebanon.

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It seams that ship wasn’t damaged as bad as some speculated…

Obviously the ship wasn't sunk ... but rather badly damaged so it took 3 weeks of around-the-clock work to have it repaired and sailing again. And yet we don't know if it is as good and operational as it was. (Not THAT good apparently )

Apparently the radar system on the Israeli ship, Hanith, was jammed by Hezbollah.

... It adds that the American experts are particularly focused on how Iranian EW installed in Lebanese army coastal radar stations blocked the Barak anti-missile missiles aboard Israeli warships, allowing Hezbollah to hit at least one Israeli corvette, the Hanith.

"Assuming that these capabilities came from Syria and Iran, most probably by way of Russia and China, one would have to believe that both the US and Israel have learned from the experience, and that leaning process will be applied in future conflicts," said Robert Freedman, Peggy Meyerhoff Pearlstone professor of political science at the Baltimore Hebrew University. ...

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Man, this is just insane if that news was true! The Barak missile system GETTING JAMMED?? Wow! This is a huge threat to American naval forces as well that are gonna be operating around the Persian gulf...

WOW !!!

It appears that anybody eager to start a new war in the Middle East (You see what I mean) may have some really nasty surprises.
What I know for sure is that the Iranian army has invested a lot in electronic warfare lately, but I didn't imagine they would reach these abilities so soon.