Israel bombs Syria: Murky details, what really happened???

Finn McCool

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I've also read that Turkey had a hand in providing intel to the Israelis for this operation and airspace clearance. The dropped fuel tanks and the formal Turkish protest would, in that case, be considered an elaborate cover. It also appears that there are rumours that the Israelis had a commando team on the ground, possibly for days in advance, to scope out the target.

The more investigation that I've done into this, the more that I have found that the "North Korean-Syrian nuke base" story seems to have been implied by a number of US DoD officials. That is why I DO NOT trust it. It is far to reminiscent of the run-up the Iraq War. It might be an outright lie. I also have seen no hard evidence (i.e. admission from an IDF official) that a commando team was involved.

So basically all that is known here is that the Israelis bombed something in Northern Syria, probably entered and exited via Turkey, and Syrian Air Defence failed to do anything about it.

Could this incident have anything to do with the plans for a Russian Navy base in Syria?
 

crazyinsane105

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So basically all that is known here is that the Israelis bombed something in Northern Syria, probably entered and exited via Turkey, and Syrian Air Defence failed to do anything about it.

Could this incident have anything to do with the plans for a Russian Navy base in Syria?

Well, the Syrian air defense systems are heavily concentrated around Golan Heights and by major military industrial factories and not by the border of Turkey. Which is why it makes sense the Israelis may have used the Turkish border to plan their raid and escape.

But yes, the Russian naval base in Syria...very interesting as this incident may be some type of warning to Russia? :confused:
 

Finn McCool

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Lots more information has been coming out on this lately.

White House says Syria 'must come clean' about nuclear work By PAMELA HESS and DEB RIECHMANN, Associated Press Writers
1 hour, 3 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - The White House said Thursday that North Korea's secret work on a nuclear reactor with Syria was "a dangerous and potentially destabilizing development for the world," raising doubts about Pyongyang's intention to carry through with a promised disclosure of its nuclear activities.

Seven months after Israel bombed the reactor, the White House broke its silence and said North Korea assisted Syria's secret nuclear program and that the destroyed facility was not intended for "peaceful purposes."

Top U.S. intelligence officials who briefed reporters said they had high confidence in the judgment that North Korea had aided Syria with its nuclear program and the intention was to produce plutonium. But they claimed only low confidence for the conclusion that it was meant for weapons development, in part because there was no reprocessing facility at the site — something that would be needed to extract plutonium from spent reactor fuel for use in a bomb.

The Bush administration's assertions could undermine six-party negotiations to try to resolve the nuclear standoff with North Korea. But a senior administration official told reporters he hoped the disclosure would instead provide leverage to officials trying to get an accurate accounting of North Korea's nuclear and proliferation activities.

The White House issued a two-page statement after lawmakers were given details about the reactor in a series of briefings on Capitol Hill that included a video presentation of intelligence information the administration contends establishes a strong link between North Korea's nuclear program and the bombed Syrian site. The briefing also included still photographs that showed a strong resemblance between specific features of the plant and one near Yongbyon in North Korea.

Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said the revelations make it clear that any deal to eliminate North Korea's nuclear programs must also stop its proliferation activities and include vigorous verification. But he said the information in the briefings was not a cause to end the talks.

"To the contrary, it underscores the need for pursuing the talks, which remain our best chance to convince North Korea to abandon its pursuit of nuclear weapons and to stop proliferation," Biden said.

The White House said the International Atomic Energy Agency also was being briefed on the intelligence.

While calling North Korea's nuclear assistance to Syria a "dangerous manifestation" of Pyongyang's nuclear weapons program and its proliferation activities, the White House said it remained committed to the talks.

The United States became aware North Korea was helping Syria with a nuclear project in 2003, said intelligence officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the matter's sensitivity. The critical intelligence that cemented that conclusion, they said, came last year: dozens of photographs taken from ground level over a period of time, showing the construction both inside and outside the building.

The Israeli strike on Sept. 6, 2007, ripped open the structure, known as the Al Kibar reactor, and revealed even more evidence to spy satellites: reinforced concrete walls that echoed the design of the Yongbyon reactor.

After the attack, Syria tried to bury evidence of its existence and erected a new building to hide the site. The building is not believed to house a new reactor, the officials said.

"This coverup only served to reinforce our confidence that this reactor was not intended for peaceful activities," White House press secretary Dana Perino said. "The Syrian regime must come clean before the world regarding its illicit nuclear activities."

The Syrian reactor was within weeks or months of being functional when Israeli jets destroyed it, a top U.S. official told The Associated Press, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter. The official said the facility was mostly completed but still needed fueling and significant testing before it could be declared operational.

"We had to assume they could throw the switch at any time," a senior intelligence official said.

No uranium, which is needed to fuel a reactor, was evident at the site, a remote area of eastern Syria along the Euphrates River. But senior U.S. intelligence officials said the reactor was similar in design to the North Korean reactor at Yongbyon, which has in the past produced small amounts of plutonium, the material needed to make powerful nuclear weapons.

A senior intelligence official said the intelligence agencies believe North Korea was motivated by "cash" rather than a desire to obtain plutonium from the reactor.

Syria has maintained in the past that the site was an unused military facility, and on Thursday, its embassy denounced what it called the U.S. "campaign of false allegations." It accused the administration of trying to mislead Congress and world opinion "in order to justify the Israeli raid in September of 2007, which the current U.S. administration may have helped execute."

Senior U.S. officials said the U.S. military was not involved in the attack, and the U.S. government, although informed in advance, did not approve it.

"Israel made the decision to attack," a senior administration official said. "It did so without any so-called green light from us. None was asked for and none was given."

"It has become obvious that this maneuver on the part of this administration comes within the framework of the North Korean nuclear negotiations," the Syrian statement said.

And in an apparent reference to prewar claims by the Bush administration that Iraq had possessed weapons of mass destruction, the statement concluded: "The Syrian government hopes that the international community and the American public, particularly, will be more cautious and aware this time around in facing such unfounded allegations."

Top members of the House Intelligence Committee who were briefed on the reactor said it posed a serious threat of spreading dangerous nuclear materials.

"This is a serious proliferation issue, both for the Middle East and the countries that may be involved in Asia," said Rep. Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich.

Hoekstra and Intelligence Committee Chairman Silvestre Reyes, D-Texas, told reporters after the closed briefing that they were angry that the Bush administration had delayed informing the full committee for so long. That delay has created friction that may imperil congressional support for Bush's policies toward North Korea and Syria, Hoekstra said.

The White House also used its statement as an opportunity to denounce the nuclear activities of Iran, which it says is a threat to the stability of the Middle East. Perino said the international community must take further steps, beginning with full implementation of U.N. Security Council resolutions.

While Washington was awash in condemnation of North Korea's proliferation activities, the communist regime is expressing optimism about current six-party negotiations with the United States, China, South Korea, Russia and Japan. The optimism over the talks is raising hopes of breaking the impasse that has deadlocked arms negotiations.

North Korea's Foreign Ministry said Thursday that it had discussed technical matters with the Americans for moving forward on that and other agreements from the arms talks. "The negotiations proceeded in a sincere and constructive manner and progress was made," the ministry said in a statement.

As part of that process, the North is required to submit a "declaration" detailing its programs and proliferation activity, but the talks are stalled over Pyongyang's refusal to publicly admit the Syria connection. However, officials say the North Koreans are willing to accept international "concern" about unspecified proliferation.

It seems that we were wrong in our earlier analysis-the target was supposedly a nuclear reactor with DPRK connections. I want to know two things. 1) How did that information leak out in rumour form earlier and 2) Why is the US choosing to reveal this now? They kept it secret for months, so something must have happened to cause them to reveal it.

Perhaps Syria is resuming nuclear work and the US and Israelis don't want to pursue wider military action. Perhaps we decided that this would help pressure the North Koreans. In any case this proves one thing-the Israelis are so scared of an Iranian bomb that they will do anything to prevent the same thing from happening in Syria or any other Muslim country.
 

Pointblank

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They are using it to place pressure on Syria, Iran and North Korea to come clean and go to the bargaining table. Now is a good time to do so, as all the intel has been chewed through throughly by US intelligence, and is no longer of use for the Americans.
 

unknauthr

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The Washington Post has posted a video news report, ostensibly from the CIA, describing the Syrian site that the Israelis bombed.
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All of the news reports that I have seen suggest that the Bush Administration (including the State Department, Defense Department, and White House staff), are avoiding this whole subject.

There appears to be an internal disagreement between the State Department crowd, which doesn't want to embarrass the North Koreans at the same time that they are negotiating with them, and the intelligence community, which wants to use a heavier hand when dealing with the Koreans. The requirement to provide "timely notification" to members of Congress (months after the fact) was apparently seized upon by the intelligence crowd to make their case at a sensitive time.
 
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