Is capitalism negatively affect a country's demographics

As we have seen in many developed countries especially japan, Italy, Netherlands, Germany, where the fertility rates has plunged dramatically to the point of no return and the population is shrinking and aging so much so fast that a major decline in the living standards is now statistically inevitable and that the only solution for this is to allow mass immigration which in turn will arguably creates social instability, especially in countries that are originally homogenous in the first place. In japan and Germany the birth rate is around 1.4 children per woman, not sustainable for the survival of a nation.

Why is it that countries that practiced capitalism have to face this demographics problem once they become developed?
Is this an inevitable fate for all countries that practiced capitalism, that once they become developed they will face a demographic crisis?

I don't think low population rates are directly a result of capitalism. You have people in capitalistic countries that have a lot of kids and they tend to be poorer.

not capitalism.

fertility is inversely related to wealth.


and more controversially, to intelligence.

shen said:

not capitalism.

fertility is inversely related to wealth.

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Indeed but wealth accumulation is direct result of capitalism, and so is intelligence, because with wealth, people are able to afford education.

So in the end capitalism creates wealthy and intelligence people which in turn creates a developed and advanced countries.
But those countries ended up having demographic problems after they have become developed
what is the root cause of this problem I wonder?

We have to take a number of factors into account. First the standard of living in capitalist economy's tends to be higher then that of socialist. Most socialist and communist nations as well as undeveloped and early stage developing nations live on a knife edge, having limited access to healthcare, up to date food and water quality, poor sanitation, and short life spans. This creates a need to carry the name. Meaning a want of children, children who often die young. So one child is never enough. As many as possible was once the rule.
In a developed nation people live longer, are less inclined to work hard labor, and have less a need to reproduce to as high a number as the childhood death rate is lower. Additionally accidentally pregnancy is at a lower rate as prophylactics and abortion (pro or con) is more available and safer.
in some cases there may farther be artificial pressures, the one child rule of China, the want of cultural heritage, a more accepted and therefore active homosexual community less willing to hide there inclinations and play straight, decrease in rape. Increase in independent female population less interested in the "traditional" role. Each as a affect on the whole.

AssassinsMace said:

I don't think low population rates are directly a result of capitalism. You have people in capitalistic countries that have a lot of kids and they tend to be poorer.

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Yes you have major overpopulation problems in developing countries such as india, philipines, etc.
but they are still developing countries in the early stages of industrialization.

I believe once they have advanced economies with advanced infrastructures the birth rate will plummet
Japan once faced similar overpopulation problem in the 60's and 70's now they faced demographic crisis.
Why is it once a country become industrialized and advanced they face demographic crisis?

bajingan said:

Yes you have major overpopulation problems in developing countries such as india, philipines, etc.
but they are still developing countries in the early stages of industrialization.

I believe once they have advanced economies with advanced infrastructures the birth rate will plummet
Japan once faced similar overpopulation problem in the 60's and 70's now they faced demographic crisis.
Why is it once a country become industrialized and advanced they face demographic crisis?

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is Japan, Sweden or Norway more capitalist than the United States?
Is China more capitalist?

shen said:

is Japan, Sweden or Norway more capitalist than the United States?
Is China more capitalist?

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Japan has a cultural bias and is a island nation that affects the birth rate in a critical number of ways as it isolates the population.
China's one child rule is a artificial factor that pushes the Chinese population deeper into decline.
Sweden and Norway are closer but there is a artificial population booster for the US. Immigration. The US population is always being boosted by emigrants.

TerraN_EmpirE said:

Japan has a cultural bias and is a island nation that affects the birth rate in a critical number of ways as it isolates the population.
China's one child rule is a artificial factor that pushes the Chinese population deeper into decline.
Sweden and Norway are closer but there is a artificial population booster for the US. Immigration. The US population is always being boosted by emigrants.

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not population trend, I'm talking about strict fertility rate, child per family.
what's Japan's cultural bias that produces lower fertility? they don't like sex?

shen said:

not population trend, I'm talking about strict fertility rate, child per family.
what's Japan's cultural bias that produces lower fertility? they don't like sex?

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I think in the case of japan, the major contribution of lower fertility rate, is excessive overwork that is particularly prevalent among their workers.

I have some friends in japan and their working hours is just crazy compared to other developed nations, they work from 8.30 am to 10 pm everyday even on weekends, and the unbelievable thing is that they are willing and expected to do unpaid overtime work. in other western countries the directors of the company can be charged with slavery.

That combined with the high living cost in japan, no wonder they have low fertility rate.