Iran TOR M1A SAMs VS US missiles

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bomber

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Iran bought 700million dollar worth Airdefence 29#TOR M1A from Russia.Iran have some more airdefence SAMs from Russian,s old models.
According to the past wars history,example:Some Egyuptians pilots dropped the bombs to ground targets but these targets have any isreali soldiers and anti aircraft guns.They dropped and burned the $ without any effect to enemy troops.
Although IRAN have SAMs ,Iran soldiers must keep their duty without fears to US missiles or attack.In Iraq wars, just 1 to 5% of anti aircraft guns and SAMs
worked properly and others airdefence units soldiers abandomed their weapons and ran for survive.
Quality Human resorces or well organized patriotic forces are more important than modern weapons.
 
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jwangyue

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bomber said:
Iran bought 700million dollar worth Airdefence 29#TOR M1A from Russia.Iran have some more airdefence SAMs from Russian,s old models.
According to the past wars history,example:Some Egyuptians pilots dropped the bombs to ground targets but these targets have any isreali soldiers and anti aircraft guns.They dropped and burned the $ without any effect to enemy troops.
Although IRAN have SAMs ,Iran soldiers must keep their duty without fears to US missiles or attack.In Iraq wars, just 1 to 5% of anti aircraft guns and SAMs
worked properly and others airdefence units soldiers abandomed their weapons and ran for survive.
Quality Human resorces or well organized patriotic forces are more important than modern weapons.
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So your point being?
 
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IDonT

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If your radar is Jammed or destroyed you can't used your fancy SAM system. Wild weasel attacks are very effective. Turn on that radar for more than a few seconds and you will have a HARM missile your way. Fixed SAM sights will be TLAMed in the first few seconds of a conflict.

SAM's are always at a disadvantage against airplanes because they always start out at 0 air speed and 0 height.
 
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Vlad Plasmius

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Tor-M1s are capable of firing on the move, so HARMs are not really as effective against it. Iran has put a lot of emphasis on building an unconventional fighting force, naturally they'd picked a SAM system perfect for unconventional warfare.
 
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IDonT

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Vlad Plasmius said:
Tor-M1s are capable of firing on the move, so HARMs are not really as effective against it. Iran has put a lot of emphasis on building an unconventional fighting force, naturally they'd picked a SAM system perfect for unconventional warfare.
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You are not really considering that the TOR-M1 can outrun a Highspeed Anti-Radiation Missile?
 
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Vlad Plasmius

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You are not really considering that the TOR-M1 can outrun a Highspeed Anti-Radiation Missile?
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Yes I am. It doesn't have to be that fast. It has a decent road speed. In a minute or so it could be at least half a mile away, and the HARM would still be several minutes away.
 
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Pointblank

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Vlad Plasmius said:
Yes I am. It doesn't have to be that fast. It has a decent road speed. In a minute or so it could be at least half a mile away, and the HARM would still be several minutes away.
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umm, the HARM travels at least Mach 4 (2280 km/h) when launched from a airplane. The missile has a max range of above 48km. The missile, fired from max range, has a time to intercept of the SAM site of a little less than 1 minute. That SAM system is toast if a HARM locks on, and no amount of running on the ground will outrun the missile. Between a duel between a Wild Weasel aircraft and a SAM site, the Wild Weasel will win, due to the advantages of having the faster missile, altitude, and the speed advantage at launch.
 
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Pointblank said:
umm, the HARM travels at least Mach 4 (2280 km/h) when launched from a airplane. The missile has a max range of above 48km. The missile, fired from max range, has a time to intercept of the SAM site of a little less than 1 minute. That SAM system is toast if a HARM locks on, and no amount of running on the ground will outrun the missile. Between a duel between a Wild Weasel aircraft and a SAM site, the Wild Weasel will win, due to the advantages of having the faster missile, altitude, and the speed advantage at launch.
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The AGm-88 HARM missile has a max range of 90 km, but it has a speed of only 760 mph. The Tor-M1 is designed to shoot down precision guided munitions and missiles like the HARM anyway, plus the HARM didn't perform that great during the air war over Serbia.
 
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bomber said:
Quality Human resorces or well organized patriotic forces are more important than modern weapons.
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No amount of patriotism is going to get a TOR to engage a medium/high altitude target which is why current US doctrine is to conduct strike missions from high/medium altitude, increasingly with unmanned aircraft.
 
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