Iran claims to down US stealth spy drone

TerraN_EmpirE

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Such a strike would also bring in major political implications that the Obama Admin I think has no real interest in as It would be first a Attack upon a Sovereign Nation with out any provocation or even semblance of such. It would be a major blow in a presidential election year. all a Repub would have too say is. " Well sure bush may have gone in too Iraq But guess who put us in too Iran? Really he made such a stink and now he does the something."
Not too mention There is a big difference between spying with unarmed spy craft and landing bombs. the second the bomb hits ground it full War.
Next there is the location of the drone. It was said too be near a major population center when last on mission. The Iranians who placed it on display may have done so in a major population center or near one. The Us government is notorious for preferring as little collateral damage as possible meaning we would have too have hard hard evidence of it's exact location and the Iranians are just as likely too try and keep that from being revealed. so they can keep that form happening by ensuring a fare risk that we might accidentally wipe out some poor apartment dwellers rather then the lost multimillion dollar piece of American property we wanted too remove.
Finally There comes the next bit which is what the "Spoofers" ( those who believe the Iranians Will back) that is that they could then Spoof the attacker...
Fox news said:
Iran Hijacked Spy Drone With GPS Hack? 'Ridiculous,' Official Says

Published December 16, 2011



A senior U.S. official scoffed at claims that Iran "hijacked" the RQ-170 spy drone through a sophisticated attack on a navigational weakness in the secret surveillance craft.

Using knowledge purportedly gleaned from "previously downed and captured drones," Iran was able to reprogram the GPS system in the U.S.-made RQ-170 Sentinel -- an advanced spy drone that was flying over Iranian territory before falling into the country's hands earlier this month, an unnamed Iranian engineer told the Christian Science Monitor.

But American officials insist that neither weaponry nor technology brought down the spy drone.

"This claim is ludicrous," a senior U.S. official told FoxNews.com, flat-out denying the report.

The Sentinel is so advanced that the U.S. Air Force has not even distributed a photo of it. The $6 million unmanned craft is manufactured by Lockheed Martin and is equipped with advanced stealth technology; it has an RQ in its name to indicate it is unarmed.

According to the Christian Science Monitor, the “spoofing” technique that Iran used -- which took into account precise landing altitudes, as well as latitudinal and longitudinal data -- made the drone “land on its own where we wanted it to, without having to crack the remote-control signals and communications” from the U.S. control center, the engineer said.

GPS spoofing is only the latest explanation for how the top-secret spy plane -- called the "Beast of Kandahar" in the media -- fell into Iranian hands.

A Russian news report recently stated that Iran had purchased a “consignment” of mobile radar detectors. Other websites describe the truck mounted equipment as an electronic countermeasure system intended to jam airborne radar systems.

Reports suggest that these 1L222 Avtobaza detectors were used to jam communications with the drone.

Stephen Trimble, a military analyst for aviation website Flight Global, called the Avtobaza "the perfect tool to target and perhaps infiltrate the communications link that allows a UAV to be controlled from a remote location."

"Since we know the Iranians now have the Avtobaza, it seems that the system is at least the basis of Iran's claims that the RQ-170 was captured by way of electronic subterfuge," Trimble told FoxNews.com. A former U.S. ambassador said earlier in the month that if such reports are true, the situation becomes all that much worse.

"Some reports have said Russia sold (Iran) a very sophisticated jamming system a short time ago," U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton told Fox News. "Now, our military says that is not true, it came down because of a malfunction. I certainly hope that's right because if the Russians have provided Iran with sophisticated jamming equipment it means a lot else is at risk too."

Of course, given the secretive nature of the mission and the RQ-170 drone itself, the truth may never emerge -- and may even be something purely mundane.

"It's entirely possible the aircraft ran out of gas and malfunctioned independent of any Iranian electronic interference," Trimble told FoxNews.com.

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whether a Spoofer or some one like me who believes it was a malfunction it's better safe then sorry.
 
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paintgun said:
Iran is just doing things the Iranian way

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If I had to choose between the Iranian account and the explanation offered in the above article, I would pick the Iranian account. Why? Let's analyze this article:

Purported Iranian engineering specialists have been taking liberties with the laws of physics in their descriptions of an electronic hijacking of the RQ-170 unmanned reconnaissance aircraft, say U.S. analysts.
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A bold claim, but not one backed by any of the arguments put forward in the article, as we'll see in a bit.

Holes in the account start with the fact that it took days for the Iranians to discover the lost aircraft. In fact, intelligence officials at one point thought the Iranians might simply never stumble across the crash site because it was in such a remote and uninhabited part of northeastern Iran.
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Are there any independent verifications of the fact that it "took the Iranians days to discover the lost aircraft"? I don't recall reading about it in the media. And this certainly has nothing to do with "laws of physics", as claimed above.

“Among the reasons to doubt the claim that GPS jamming had anything to do with the loss of the RQ-170 is a simple overlooked fact,” says a third U.S. analyst. “GPS is not the primary navigation sensor for the RQ-170 or for most other air vehicles. The vehicle gets its flight path orders from an inertial navigation system, which is essentially unjammable unless you want to monkey with the local gravitational field. The GPS updates the INS and cancels its drift. So, even a full GPS blackout would simply cause the vehicle to be a bit less accurate,” he adds.
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Here's a wikipedia article on INS:
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We can see from the wikipedia article (assuming you trust it as relatively accurate), the reality is quite the opposite of what this "U.S. analyst" says. The INS system acts as a supplement to GPS guidance, rather than the other way around. The fatal flaw of the INS is the cumulative errors in measurement. I am seriously doubtful that even the US has sensor systems precise enough to use the INS as a primary navigation system.

What this means is that it is still quite possible for the Iranians to guide the drone with a spoofed GPS signal. Think of it as a series of "nudges" instead of a "push": subtly manipulated GPS data designed to fool the INS into the desired flight path. This process would mean that the "hijacked landing" would have taken far longer than assumed, and the Iranians would not have had complete liberty in the final landing area.

In fact, it is also possible that the Iranians simply fooled the INS into flying in circles until the drone finally ran out of fuel.
 
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advill

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I do not believe the downing of the US Stealth Drone in Iran can be covered up by the US Government or the Pentagon. With current high-tech, global info media technology, it would be difficult and stupid to do such a thing. Most news will eventually leak out, even in autocratic countries like North Korea etc. where there is very tight control over the media. The "social media" cannot be stopped, as much as some would like to do.

May I wish all our Chinese friends "Gong Xi Fa Cai". May the Year of the Water Dragon be a good and peaceful year for all of us.
 
Equation

Equation

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TerraN_EmpirE said:
Such a strike would also bring in major political implications that the Obama Admin I think has no real interest in as It would be first a Attack upon a Sovereign Nation with out any provocation or even semblance of such. It would be a major blow in a presidential election year. all a Repub would have too say is. " Well sure bush may have gone in too Iraq But guess who put us in too Iran? Really he made such a stink and now he does the something."
Not too mention There is a big difference between spying with unarmed spy craft and landing bombs. the second the bomb hits ground it full War.
Next there is the location of the drone. It was said too be near a major population center when last on mission. The Iranians who placed it on display may have done so in a major population center or near one. The Us government is notorious for preferring as little collateral damage as possible meaning we would have too have hard hard evidence of it's exact location and the Iranians are just as likely too try and keep that from being revealed. so they can keep that form happening by ensuring a fare risk that we might accidentally wipe out some poor apartment dwellers rather then the lost multimillion dollar piece of American property we wanted too remove.
Finally There comes the next bit which is what the "Spoofers" ( those who believe the Iranians Will back) that is that they could then Spoof the attacker...

(Yes I am Posting form FOX. )
whether a Spoofer or some one like me who believes it was a malfunction it's better safe then sorry.
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Thanks for the post. I highly doubt that the RQ-170 just ran out of gas. The people who send it there in the first place has to make sure everything is in place prior to the mission being carried out.
 
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Equation said:
Thanks for the interesting post. Do you know who wrote the article and where did the author get his sources (just wondering)?
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