Interesting Read...
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I did not read the whole article. Way tooo long for me. But I get the jest of it.
Old Roger there is one of these well read and learned "Military experts" who never served a friggin' day in the USN or any armed service.
I read his own page ..It appears that a bunch of navy brass are praising him over a book he wrote.
IMO..Military excersise are just that ..excersises and don't amount to a hill of beans...I gotta question for Roger..Dude how many theroitical sinkings do you suspose the USN has inflected on the "enemey"???? Lots I'm sure..In fact I know.
Like I said in another thread..we will see if the shooting ever really starts. I pray it never does.
Old Roger there is one of these well read and learned "Military experts" who never served a friggin' day in the USN or any armed service.
I read his own page ..It appears that a bunch of navy brass are praising him over a book he wrote.
IMO..Military excersise are just that ..excersises and don't amount to a hill of beans...I gotta question for Roger..Dude how many theroitical sinkings do you suspose the USN has inflected on the "enemey"???? Lots I'm sure..In fact I know.
Like I said in another thread..we will see if the shooting ever really starts. I pray it never does.
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PiSigma
"the engineer"
the article is tooooo long, the only thing i got out of there is that our canadian navy is awesome. but i don't buy that USN have all those problems. they could be problems before, but certainly the navy is not dumb enough to forget about it and not try to improve. also if the systems they use is so bad, why would all other countries try to imitate it somehow??? sure they got problems, but this guy made the problems seem way too big.
PiSigma said:
Dude you are so right! I agree with you 98%. No military system,weapon, ship etc is perfect but he seems to make it apear that the USN is inept. Nothing could be futher from the truth.
2%..Canadian Navy?
Dude..come now..I mean really....Keep smiling
Baibar of Jalat
Junior Member
Hi Bd Popeye
No offence i believe u misread or do not want to believe the article. One of the themes of the article is the US navy continues to over estimate itself. Popeye u seem to be doing the same. Me personally i do not know enough info to conclude what the author is saying but it is interesting to see u have validated one of authors assertions that the US navy has a institutnalised belief of invunerability.
Aerodriver
New Member
Baibar of Jalet
They don’t have an institutionalised belief of invulnerability, they are similar to the Royal Navy, they have an institutionalised belief that they can not be defeated, mainly because apart from the wars against Britain in the early 1800's the US navy like the Royal Navy has never been defeated. They also have the best ships the best training and are the biggest. It is very important for a navy to have an unsinkable faith in itself. It's called moral.
They don’t have an institutionalised belief of invulnerability, they are similar to the Royal Navy, they have an institutionalised belief that they can not be defeated, mainly because apart from the wars against Britain in the early 1800's the US navy like the Royal Navy has never been defeated. They also have the best ships the best training and are the biggest. It is very important for a navy to have an unsinkable faith in itself. It's called moral.
Baibar of Jalat
Junior Member
Origionally from AeroDiver
my origional post to pop eye
To AERODRIVER
DID I personally say that i believed the report. look at my origional post again i have underlined the sentence so u can read again. I just said that pop eye has to an extent validated the authors claim about the tendency of US Navy to dimiss thier weaknesses.
DID you read the report Aerodriver fully, I did.
EDIT(SwimmerXC): Keep to topic, cut the personal BS!
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my origional post to pop eye
To AERODRIVER
DID I personally say that i believed the report. look at my origional post again i have underlined the sentence so u can read again. I just said that pop eye has to an extent validated the authors claim about the tendency of US Navy to dimiss thier weaknesses.
DID you read the report Aerodriver fully, I did.
EDIT(SwimmerXC): Keep to topic, cut the personal BS!
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Baibar of Jalat said:
And just how many years did the author serve in the US Navy? I did 20 years. 20 years and six days to be exact. Point is.. I served. As far as I can assertain he did not.
Is the USN invernable? In no way would I ever state that. Is the USN Very, Very capable warfighting machine? And difficult to beat? You better believe it. That's a fact.
I doubt if the authour is privvy to confidential information that would give him any insight to any "soft spots" the USN may have.
Don't you know if the USN "hi-tech" gizmos did not work other nations on would not be intrested in buying them. Nor could the US sell them without the proper demonstration. The same goes for other nations selling military hardware.
In addition if they did not work some disgruntle military tech industry ex-employee or a dis-gruntled ex-sailor would be on all the Tv and radio talk shows spilling the beans about how bougus the USN "hi-tech" gear operates.
The first time you see one of these "whitsle blowers" on US Tv let me know. I would be very intrested in what they have to say.
MIGleader
Banned Idiot
Popeye, this guy might not have served 20 years in the navy, but he clearly knows what he's talking about. As far as ive seen, he clearly spent at least some time in the U.S military, and in a position that gives him aloty of information on the navy's tactics and equipment. He probably did a bit of internet and book research after he left the military.
Whatever the case, his article seems well researched. He is only presenting a hypothesis, but has backed it up very well. Saying "ive served in the navy longer than him" will not be able to refute his arguments.
Whatever the case, his article seems well researched. He is only presenting a hypothesis, but has backed it up very well. Saying "ive served in the navy longer than him" will not be able to refute his arguments.
Aerodriver
New Member
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Cut out this personal pissing contest or both of you will get warnings! Understood?
Mod edit by Gollevainen
In the past I've flown in exercises against the US navy- I admit only against there aircraft, and yes sometimes we hurt them, but quite often I was one of the fictional dead. Unlike the author I have experienced the US navy’s professionalism from the enemy's point of view, so I know what I’m talking about. And unlike you in general I know what I am talking about. I have also had a military tour (not a relatives or gen public showing of the nice things on board) of the Stanis A/C carrier, and I am yet to see a military machine that even half compares.
Pop eye, I agree with you 100%, If you take away some of the western European navies (they can compare with the US navy in terms of technology and training, not size), and chose any navy in the word to run an exercise against the US navy- I know where the smart money would be.
Cut out this personal pissing contest or both of you will get warnings! Understood?
Mod edit by Gollevainen
In the past I've flown in exercises against the US navy- I admit only against there aircraft, and yes sometimes we hurt them, but quite often I was one of the fictional dead. Unlike the author I have experienced the US navy’s professionalism from the enemy's point of view, so I know what I’m talking about. And unlike you in general I know what I am talking about. I have also had a military tour (not a relatives or gen public showing of the nice things on board) of the Stanis A/C carrier, and I am yet to see a military machine that even half compares.
Pop eye, I agree with you 100%, If you take away some of the western European navies (they can compare with the US navy in terms of technology and training, not size), and chose any navy in the word to run an exercise against the US navy- I know where the smart money would be.
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