Infantry Combat Equipment (non-firearm): Vests, Body Armor, NVGs, etc.

Saru

Saru

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MrCrazyBoyRavi said:
To be honest PLA infantry do feels like upgraded North Korean army. This white cat, black cat don’t matter if they catch a mouse ideology is so old fashioned. A properly dressed military personell also gives an psychological impression of competence & professionalism. A random enemy soldier would react differently against random person wearing US infantry camo / PLA camo.
Humans since ancient age has always tried to appear meaner, stronger, bigger by using various makeups, ornamnets, outfits to psychologically demoralize its opponents.
I bet atleast half of the twitter keyboard warriors will stop spamming war against China if they see how modernized Chinese military personnel appear.
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You forget something it is not certain wether if most of these people shown are professionals that do not lack any in depth knowledge in modern warfare.

That goes for how well they are equipped and what tactics they utilize we have to remember The Western Military loves to showboat their gear off like they are the shit which eventually had most of the NATO Alliances join the Tacticool Bandwagon.

The US showboats due to the fact they are proud of something that is a US based product that remains superior in Quality manufacturing wise hence why there's many independent arms dealers companies in US is a part of their culture.

It's what they are best at America has long sought to find a solution for the people of America to make their own products rather than relying on foreign manufacturers

Difference is America has a reason to really showboat while there's no need for China they are doing well in the manufacturing market maybe not when it comes to Military products but other than that they are pretty much dominating the market.

The issue with China there's hardly any independent arms dealer companies who isn't and is working for the military necessarily.

It's more the question will China open the Civilian market to Military Products that is more expensive. The current arms manufacturers working for the PLA are not left with many Options since the PLA are not seeking to spend money on extremely expensive gear unlike US.

US has spent 731 Billion on the Military

China has spent so far 244 Billion on the military.

That's about 70% less than what US has spent on the military.

It's not that the Chinese Military does not have the competence or afford highly expensive products. It's that they are just not looking to upgrade their military at urgent rate since there is no urgency.

People are acting as if China will start a war anytime which is blatant ignorance.

But these Keyboard warriors don't pay attention to that unfortunately.
 
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A potato said:
Oh I thought they were because most youtube vidoes about PLA special forces aren't actually special forces.
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Eh China most likely got secret stuff (probs quite a lot), like spies, national agents, weapons as well I reckon as well as research.

I don't think it's a stretch there's some actual secret special forces (basically no publicity regarding them), although I don't think their scale would be very big AND there's probably also 'regular' special forces (where there will be some videos of them, but also videos claiming to be of chinese special forces but actually aren't).
 
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Saru said:
You forget something it is not certain wether if most of these people shown are professionals that do not lack any in depth knowledge in modern warfare.

That goes for how well they are equipped and what tactics they utilize we have to remember The Western Military loves to showboat their gear off like they are the shit which eventually had most of the NATO Alliances join the Tacticool Bandwagon.

The US showboats due to the fact they are proud of something that is a US based product that remains superior in Quality manufacturing wise hence why there's many independent arms dealers companies in US is a part of their culture.

It's what they are best at America has long sought to find a solution for the people of America to make their own products rather than relying on foreign manufacturers

Difference is America has a reason to really showboat while there's no need for China they are doing well in the manufacturing market maybe not when it comes to Military products but other than that they are pretty much dominating the market.

The issue with China there's hardly any independent arms dealer companies who isn't and is working for the military necessarily.

It's more the question will China open the Civilian market to Military Products that is more expensive. The current arms manufacturers working for the PLA are not left with many Options since the PLA are not seeking to spend money on extremely expensive gear unlike US.

US has spent 731 Billion on the Military

China has spent so far 244 Billion on the military.

That's about 70% less than what US has spent on the military.

It's not that the Chinese Military does not have the competence or afford highly expensive products. It's that they are just not looking to upgrade their military at urgent rate since there is no urgency.

People are acting as if China will start a war anytime which is blatant ignorance.

But these Keyboard warriors don't pay attention to that unfortunately.
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Comparing spending in the US vs China on a monetary basis is quite difficult. Number of equipments sorted by types aquired could be more interesting, but the information is way harder to find.
 
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Atomicfrog said:
Comparing spending in the US vs China on a monetary basis is quite difficult. Number of equipments sorted by types aquired could be more interesting, but the information is way harder to find.
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It is only the estimate it is proned to not be fully accurate.
 
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wssth0306

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Michaelsinodef said:
Eh China most likely got secret stuff (probs quite a lot), like spies, national agents, weapons as well I reckon as well as research.

I don't think it's a stretch there's some actual secret special forces (basically no publicity regarding them), although I don't think their scale would be very big AND there's probably also 'regular' special forces (where there will be some videos of them, but also videos claiming to be of chinese special forces but actually aren't).
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I did noticed over the years when there is a trainer from "Training unit(教导大队）" teaching the Special forces , the trainer themselves have much better gear , and sometime completely different camo, they are more senior in rank, and the way they shoot and move.
It leads me to believe that the truly classified units , the "Tier 1" PLA spec ops if they are even that ,are likely within them.
It is a pretty convectional way to hide an elite unit , you take all of the good candidates , the instructors, and call the unit some boring bureaucratic name like"122th instructor group" .

USA has used this bureaucracy tactic these day too , the CIA elite unit , is call "The Special Activities Center" and it is so much much more classified then navy seals are.
In fact the most classified group within the seals are called "Naval Special Warfare Development Group" sound boring enough if you don't know what you are looking for.
 
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wssth0306

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A potato said:
Oh I thought they were because most youtube vidoes about PLA special forces aren't actually special forces.
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It worth noting that PLA doesn't think of it's special forces the way you think about it, the PLA special forces you see on the news are just elite light infantry units , the are a size of a brigade . Their role is mainly to support conventional warfare, that means long range portal, behind the line sabotage and observation, they are not meant to be deployed separate to the army group operations, they act as a force multiplier and not it's own command with it's own doctrine.
It also means they don't need to conduct missions the the US JSOC need to do.
Pre 2017 reforms , it is believed that each of the army groups has 1 special forces brigade.
You cannot even with budget like USA have more the 10 special forces unit each holding 2000 man at least be trained and equipped like seal team 6 is.

So when ever you see a Chinese news says Special forces , think that unit is filling the role of roughly what the US Ranger Regiment is doing just so much bigger. An air insertable unit that is well trained , capable of fighting in limited intel ,disconnected from supply line. They are not , and not meant to be Delta, Seal, SAS. They will not be used in operation like Zero dark thirty, neither to break in an embassy.
Think of it as a 82nd airborne with added training for small unit tactics, and depend on the brigade one the item in sea infiltration\alpine\ snow \desert conditions, and maybe a bit of SEAR.
 
Saru

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wssth0306 said:
I did noticed over the years when there is a trainer from "Training unit(教导大队）" teaching the Special forces , the trainer themselves have much better gear , and sometime completely different camo, they are more senior in rank, and the way they shoot and move.
It leads me to believe that the truly classified units , the "Tier 1" PLA spec ops if they are even that ,are likely within them.
It is a pretty convectional way to hide an elite unit , you take all of the good candidates , the instructors, and call the unit some boring bureaucratic name like"122th instructor group" .

USA has used this bureaucracy tactic these day too , the CIA elite unit , is call "The Special Activities Center" and it is so much much more classified then navy seals are.
In fact the most classified group within the seals are called "Naval Special Warfare Development Group" sound boring enough if you don't know what you are looking for.
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There's some guests that has been censored. Not entirely sure if that means they are special force but PLA rarely censors their soldiers.
 
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