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They're similar but don''t look exactly the same.
Infantry Combat Equipment (non-firearm): Vests, Body Armor, NVGs, etc.
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They're similar but don''t look exactly the same.
It's too early to say if they are not because we've not seen a live example yet but from the MOD graphic officially released today, announcing Type 21, they definitely look identical.
Now I am not sure whether this series will replace Type 19, but it does look like the only starry sky palettes available are summer and winter. This is what the GSDF does, and what the PLA needs as the 5 color system was totally unnecessary imo.
Now I am not sure whether this series will replace Type 19, but it does look like the only starry sky palettes available are summer and winter. This is what the GSDF does, and what the PLA needs as the 5 color system was totally unnecessary imo.
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Type 21 garrison and combat uniforms.
The new combat uniforms for all branches (woodland pattern for summer and desert pattern for winter). The People's Armed Police will not adopt the Starry Sky camouflage pattern. Instead, the PAP will use something similar to MultiCam. No more black boots:
The new garrison uniforms for all the branches:
The new combat uniforms for all branches (woodland pattern for summer and desert pattern for winter). The People's Armed Police will not adopt the Starry Sky camouflage pattern. Instead, the PAP will use something similar to MultiCam. No more black boots:
The new garrison uniforms for all the branches:
Is it just me or the type 21 desert starry star camo‘s pattern seems different than what we usually see in pictures
No chest pocket? The slant waist pockets also don't look like having zippers. This might be a problem for some clerk duties who usually need to keep a pen and small notepad with them all the time.Type 21 garrison and combat uniforms.
The new combat uniforms for all branches (woodland pattern for summer and desert pattern for winter). The People's Armed Police will not adopt the Starry Sky camouflage pattern. Instead, the PAP will use something similar to MultiCam. No more black boots:
The new garrison uniforms for all the branches:
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Post in two parts. 1/2
So the first post by @by78 and the latter seem to be the same family of uniforms. The first question I have is what is the goal of this? Does this replace the Dress uniform family of the type 07 or is it an in between? I would favor the later but as the PLA and PAP is a party centered organization…
The style of the uniform seen is fine for smart casual and common among members of the CCP. What I have seen referred to as the “Xi Jacket”.
It is a variant of the Harrington, G9 or Baracuta Jacket. A style of Jacket that came from civilian sports that moved to Civilian work wear popular in the west among truck drivers and Blue collar in the 1950s as service wear then being adopted by pop culture icons like Elvis and James Dean to counter culture Mods and Skinheads of the 60s and 70s. (Have to say this style of jacket is better suited to… The less full bodied of us.)
It’s working class style origin makes it a bit rational for the CCP adoption who’s rhetoric is “Proletariate” working class when compared to the upper class Buisness suit. Though both are worn by the CCP.
This style as a Military uniform is not exactly new. Though some have compared it to the US Army Ike Jacket. That is a dramatically different uniform style originating from British Battle Dress of WW2. Where this is directly taken from Russian Military uniform identified as either “Casual option 1” or “Office uniform.” *source Wiki commons*
Other than a button down shirt it’s almost identical. The Russians issue these as a Service uniform well having separate Dress and Parade uniforms for more formal functions well also having camouflage uniforms for field wear. The Dress uniform being the traditional suit style with cues from the later USSR Red Army uniforms. The Parade and Ceremonial guard uniforms being heavily inspired by both Soviet but also Czarist era sets.
Remember when… *note I edited this to reflect what I am focusing on. please see posts above for actual post.*The rest of the lineup...
Type 21 garrison…uniforms…
The new garrison uniforms for all the branches:
- PLA GF
- PLA N
- PLA AF
- PLA SRF
- PAP
Possible that said pocket is on the inside. It’s common on light jackets to have such. Looks like they have hand warmer pockets on the jackets and probably zippers under a flap. Could even have a pen pocket in the flap.
So the first post by @by78 and the latter seem to be the same family of uniforms. The first question I have is what is the goal of this? Does this replace the Dress uniform family of the type 07 or is it an in between? I would favor the later but as the PLA and PAP is a party centered organization…
The style of the uniform seen is fine for smart casual and common among members of the CCP. What I have seen referred to as the “Xi Jacket”.
It is a variant of the Harrington, G9 or Baracuta Jacket. A style of Jacket that came from civilian sports that moved to Civilian work wear popular in the west among truck drivers and Blue collar in the 1950s as service wear then being adopted by pop culture icons like Elvis and James Dean to counter culture Mods and Skinheads of the 60s and 70s. (Have to say this style of jacket is better suited to… The less full bodied of us.)
It’s working class style origin makes it a bit rational for the CCP adoption who’s rhetoric is “Proletariate” working class when compared to the upper class Buisness suit. Though both are worn by the CCP.
This style as a Military uniform is not exactly new. Though some have compared it to the US Army Ike Jacket. That is a dramatically different uniform style originating from British Battle Dress of WW2. Where this is directly taken from Russian Military uniform identified as either “Casual option 1” or “Office uniform.” *source Wiki commons*
Other than a button down shirt it’s almost identical. The Russians issue these as a Service uniform well having separate Dress and Parade uniforms for more formal functions well also having camouflage uniforms for field wear. The Dress uniform being the traditional suit style with cues from the later USSR Red Army uniforms. The Parade and Ceremonial guard uniforms being heavily inspired by both Soviet but also Czarist era sets.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
2/2 We have here the camouflage Utility uniforms.Better quality images of the Type 21 uniforms.
Which is clearly expanding into a family. We have 4 Camouflage sets. Looks like Urban and jungle are dead. Makes some sense as trends show that Arid and Urban tend to overlap as would Jungle and Woodland. PAP it appears are branching away with their own patterns which seems a carry over from past patterns where the PAP went with more of a Tiger stripe based digital.
Unlicensed Multicam isn’t unheard of, and the Chinese sported such back in the 2015 Victory day parade. Crye precision and Natick Army labs is said to have and Crye markets variants of Multicam derivatives in Urban, Woodland, Desert and Arctic/Mountain iterations. The US Army adopted on an interim basis Multicam then modified the set with darker colors to counter NIR vision sensors and finally in a rather stupid (in my opinion) move. Replaced it with an earlier iteration based Scorpion set with the same darker dyes.
Other nations like the UK worked with Crye to hybrid the pattern with indigenous pattern cues like DPM well nations like Poland and Russia have copied outright. So creating an indigenous set knockoff or Arid set for isn’t without precedent.
The color way of both seems more in line with commercial Multicam as opposed to Military which also makes sense as they probably won’t be facing off against soliders armed with the latest NIR night vision.
I do find it interesting that Stary night seems to only have a Arid and Woodland version and not a transitional set. Plenty of firms have created Multicam like sets on their own by taking the known color scheme and using the generating computer algorithms for their pattern. Such a scheme would be advantageous to rapid deployment units like PLA Para, PLA Marines and SF units.
The images seem to show two styles of tunics for both sets. A fold down collar and a mandarin style collar. Both styles have been in vogue for combat uniforms in the last decade. Both also seem to show rank. Fold down has the advantage of breathing, Mandarin keeping debris out. We have seen both being used by PLA. The graphics seem to show identical tunics otherwise which makes me wonder if the collar is supposed to be convertible.
Then we have the classic PLA field parka with fake fur collar clearly inspired by the Soviet M88 Afganika.
I have to chuckle at the quality of the graphic here as they clearly Photoshopped the images together. The boots look about 10 sizes to big for the soldier. This said the move to a suede or nubuck rough out combat boot makes a lot of sense. It’s actually a little funny the history here.
Back in the late 1800s Military boots were smooth polished leather often very high or augmented with leggings or Spats in either Brown or Black.
In World war 1 a number of Armies moved to Rough out brown oiled leather though still with leg bindings or spats.
When the war ended they were discarded and the military was back to polished leather Brown or black.
Then World war 2 the Boots got shorter and quickly oiled rough out brown was back. With some Jungle boots of canvas and rubber akin to Chinese liberation shoes or Converse /PF Flyer style sneaker but taller. Shortages of rubber and Leather push cheaper recycled and Vulcanized rubber soles.
The polished smooth leather moved to shoes. Near the end polished smooth combat boots in black or brown are back. But the shoes run in parallel.
The oiled rough out is dropped, doesn’t come back for Korea though Jungle boots move to a more recognizable form hybridizing Leather combat boots with Canvas. Brown looses popularity.
Vietnam (French then American) introduces the Jungle boot in wide issue. Combining a vulcanized rubber sole. But it’s smooth leather and fabric.
Around the 1970s the Saudis introduced what could be seen as the first Desert combat boot as we recognize it. As opposed to the past British Chukka boots of smooth leather. These were suede camel skin with a molded rubber sole. Suede and Nubuck combat boots are then introduced widely in the Gulfwar. More or less just Jungle boots but with tan and Suede or nubuck. From there it’s pushed to today where it’s universally favored. from there Nubuck is back as the pattern is modified from the hot desert boot to cold desert and wet weather versions. The “fuzzy” texture meaning easier maintenance as Bull polishing is Rendered unnecessary and car is a quick spray of oil, a stiff brush and eraser. Yes an Eraser. No hours of wax flame and brushes / nylons. Additionally, the finish in tan or brown takes texture closer to sand or dirt. Making it better suited to camouflage and more resilient. As opposed to highly polished shiny texture that can shatter like glass or chip. It’s not that you can’t damage them. It’s just that they show less.
All the models seem to be wearing covers clearly iteration of the Type 07 sets. The round type ball cap and rain bucket boonie hat. The and boonie still have insignia on them though it’s still odd in my eyes to have such on the boonie. It’s s hat used more by necessity and shouldn’t be worn for formation. It’s like wearing insignia on a watch cap or your under pants.
finally I will cover the combat shirt which again isn’t that new. Chinese troops have been seen wearing units like this before inspired by a number of foreign models. It’s falls into the established norms. Camouflaged material on arms shoulders and collars. A zipper neck. With complementary color on the torso. Very conservative, very “safe”. Only question point is where the rank would be. Yes it’s “Supposed” to be worn with armor, however Administrative tasks might still end up with it being worn alone during tasks. A number of iterations have Velcro tapes for such on the deltoid some on the chest. PLA rank is either collar or shoulder. Both would be options. The collar would make sense with a pin on or flaps of Velcro on the inside and out.
by78
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The collars are convertible: open and mandarin.