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siegecrossbow

General
Staff member
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Hopefully China will send a diplomatic expression of regret concerning this incident at the appropriate time. It is important to manage relations in a responsible manner.

Then again Bipin Rawat wanted an independent Tibet as a buffer state between China and India. I can't see China offering condolences to someone who actively called for partition of China.
 

Sardaukar20

Major
Registered Member
Hopefully China will send a diplomatic expression of regret concerning this incident at the appropriate time. It is important to manage relations in a responsible manner.
I frankly don't care if China does not send any condolences. Who is General Rawat anyway to command such respect? He is still one of the chief architects of the new Indian military posture against China. Eventhough if he is doing a terrible job.

I can imagine that if the same type of tragedy were to happen to Pakistan or China, India would not be that sympathetic. There would be fake news galore. Maybe even attempted military opportunism. One good example. Look at what India did when China was facing Covid-19 in early 2020.

Anyway. If anyone is curious, China did send official condolences, along with other countries.
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Chinese ambassador to India Sun Weidong extended "deep condolences on the sad demise of CDS General Bipin Rawat, his wife and other victims in the helicopter crash".

"My sympathy goes to all the family members of General Bipin Rawat," he said.
 

Xizor

Captain
Registered Member
Useless gesture. Nothing can stop the hatred from Modi supporters.
Its a hatred born out of insecurity, inadequacy, illiteracy and impotence stemming from lack of comprehensive national power.The jealousy is strong against China. China must understand that it is "natural" for Indians to hate China and is a testament to its progress so far.

What i'm concerned for is the ideology and hate that sees Chinese ( racially) as lesser. I see tints of nazi ideology. It's amusing because Indians have no evidence to prove it, themselves getting a lower score on whatever metric they tout. China and Chinese must be vigilant against this strain of ideology.
 

Lethe

Captain
The clear implication being that sending condolences is the "responsible" thing to do. Who says?

It should not have to be said that a hostile relationship with India does not serve China's interests. In the world of diplomacy, even small gestures can create opportunities for productive dialogue that did not otherwise exist. If such a gesture leads an important figure in India to moderate their language even only slightly, substituting a less inflammatory word in place of their first instinct, that is a victory. Relations between nations deteriorate over thousands of small steps until civil communication is no longer possible, and thawing and rebuilding those relations is a similarly arduous journey of a thousand small steps.
 

ZeEa5KPul

Colonel
Registered Member
It should not have to be said that a hostile relationship with India does not serve China's interests.
Indian hostility to China is India's decision. India's crippling inferiority complex isn't China's problem.
In the world of diplomacy, even small gestures can create opportunities for productive dialogue that did not otherwise exist.
Is there any evidence for this? Because this sounds like something out of a Disney children's cartoon. Diplomacy operates primarily on interest and secondarily on national character. In India's case, it has decided that its interest is in prostrating itself before its erstwhile colonial masters and any comment I have about its national character would violate this forum's rules. Suffice to say that India's national character is plain for all to see.
If such a gesture leads an important figure in India to moderate their language even only slightly, substituting a less inflammatory word in place of their first instinct, that is a victory.
No, it isn't. India being dismembered into a gaggle of squabbling statelets like Europe did to the Ottoman Empire is a victory, what you're talking about is without value.
Relations between nations deteriorate over thousands of small steps until civil communication is no longer possible, and thawing and rebuilding those relations is a similarly arduous journey of a thousand small steps.
Once again, it's India that brought things to this place and if India wants things different, it's incumbent on it to take the thousand steps. There's no parity between India and China on any level, be it national power or moral responsibility for the present state.
 

longmarch

Junior Member
Registered Member
To improve a relationship takes two sides and there has to be a common understanding. Where is the common understanding? This is the guy who defines China as India's number one enemy. Did he do anything positive between the two countries?
Yes China don't want to have a hostile relationship with India, but If that's what India wants, so be it. You can't get there by being a "nice guy". China allowed India to join Shanghai Organization, made India the second largest shareholder of the infrastructure bank. Provide loans, expertise and technology to build India's infrastructure (telecom, energy, transportation), essentially help them develop risk free. What did China got in return? Doklam and Galwan.
If I'm a hardliner, I would say send Indian condolences. It's a swipe at India's military. I'm sure Modi supporters would see it that way and fanfare another round of hatred.
Now, the best China can do is to ignore it like nothing happened. There is nothing bilateral.
 
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