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Bltizo said:

Looks like IAF will end up being the last big customer for C-17 before its production line formally closes?

Then again, it was meant to shut down a few times before and remained persistent...


Amazing that 10 C-17s makes IAF the second largest operator after USAF; goes to show just how many globemasters the US have. I wonder who will cater to global demand for heavy strategic airlifters once production ceases.

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The second naval prototype of Tejas, the indigenously developed light combat aircraft, will undergo flight test in Goa by September-end, P.S. Subramanyam, Project Director (Combat Aircraft), Aeronautical Development Agency, has said.

Mr. Subramanyam, who was here to attend an Engineers’ Day function, told The Hindu that the prototype would demonstrate take-off and landing at a shore-based test facility which simulated an aircraft carrier. With that, India would become the third country to demonstrate this facility. He said the Indian Air Force version of Tejas was expected to get final operational clearance by March 2015.

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The Indian Navy’s wait for the much-needed anti-submarine warfare helicopters to operate from its warships may just get longer. The Narendra Modi government, determined to push domestic manufacturing of defence equipment, is likely to scrap a plan to acquire a squadron of naval multi-role helicopters (NMRH) from global vendors and issue fresh requests for proposals, stipulating that these machines must be made in India and the main vendor should be Indian.
The idea is to shift these purchases to a category where India buys the technology from overseas and the manufacturing of the equipment/machine is done here. Under this “Buy and Make in India” policy of the defence ministry, 80% of the cost of development and prototyping will be borne by the government, while the remainder is to be financed by the developing agency (DA).
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The scrapping of the plan to procure 16 NMRH from global vendors, which was meant to be the first phase of a contract to acquire a fleet of 91 such helicopters at a cost of $3 billion, would likely be announced after the next meeting of the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) at the end of this month, official sources told FE.
The NMRH fleet will be equipped with anti-submarine warfare (ASW) capabilities and customised for amphibious assaults and commando operations. The Modi government’s decision is expected to generate business worth over
R20,0000 crore for the local industry, sources said.
The DAC, chaired by defence minister Arun Jaitley on July 19, had deferred the decision on the MRH helicopter project while clearing other military procurement proposals. The two contenders in the fray for the contract are the European NH-90 helicopter and the American Sikorsky-70B. “The navy had sought the way forward in the NMRH project, which also included deviations being sought by the two companies in their offsets proposals, but the DAC has kept the entire matter pending for now,” said a source.
The Indian Navy issued the request for information (RFI) for 16 NMRH in July 2011. This tender has been delayed as the defence ministry asked both finalists to extend the validity of their bids by another six months in July 2013.
Since then nothing moved as the government of the day had put everything on hold. As far as the navy is concerned, both contenders have met naval staff qualitative requirements for a multi-role chopper with its primary missions consisting of ASW and anti-surface warfare and secondary roles such as search and rescue, transport, casualty evacuation etc.
Though the navy is on track to induct four to five warships every year over the next decade, it is fast running out of helicopters meant to detect and kill enemy submarines. It just has 11 Kamov-28 and 17 Sea King ASW helicopters to defend its existing fleet of over 130 warships. While the Sea Kings are over 20 years old, the Kamov-28s are long overdue for a mid-life upgrade.

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KOCHI: The Cochin Shipyard Limited (CSL) on Friday delivered the eighth of the series of 20 Fast Patrol Vessels being built for the Indian Coast Guard.

The protocol of delivery and acceptance was signed by operations director Capt R S Sundar, on behalf of the CSL, and Commanding Officer (designate) of the vessel Cmdt P K Jaswal of the Indian Coast Guard.

Indian Coast Guard principal director (materials) Vivek Vajpayee, T P Sadanandan of CGRPS (Kochi), CSL finance director Paul Ranjan, and CSL technical director Sunny Thomas were present on the occasion.

The vessel, named ‘ICGS AMARTYA’, will be operated by the Coast Guard Station at New Mangalore.

The CSL is hoping to enter into the businesses of LNG carriers and dredgers in the short and medium term. Recently, the Central Government had granted approval to the CSL for the commissioning of the large dry-dock, built to accommodate bigg ships like LNG carriers and aircraft carriers. The project is expected to take four years to complete. The Union Government has also announced its plan to nominate CSL to build dredgers.

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New Delhi: Seeking to strengthen its anti- submarine warfare capabilities, Navy is planning to equip its indigenous Delhi Class and Russian-origin Talwar class warships with sonar systems developed by European firm Atlas Elektronik.

Navy officials said the firm is the lowest bidder and the Defence Ministry has to take a final decision on the inking of the deal.

"Atlas Elektronik has won the competition for the ATAS, which will equip the Delhi and Talwar class ships initially and subsequently be manufactured in India under cooperation with Bharat Electronics Limited," Atlas Elektronik's India head Khalil Rahman said here today.

He said the first six systems will be manufactured at the company's facilities and the follow-on batches would be manufactured in Indian under the Transfer of Technology (ToT) arrangement with Indian public sector unit.

Rahman said an ATAS is necessary for detection of submarines and torpedoes and in today's underwater warfare environment the determining advantage is to detect a submarine beyond the weapon range (of the submarine), thereby denying offensive capability.

"The Indian Navy's ATAS project is therefore a key element of the strategy to secure Indian waters. The project is destined to be rolled out to various classes of ships including Delhi, Talwar, Kamorta, Shivalik and Kolkata," he said.

Company officials said the towed array sonar provided by ATLAS permits observation of the sea space at ranges considerably above 60 kilometers, depending on the propagation conditions of the water. This gives the sonar an operational range that by far exceeds that of radars and the weapons range of submarines.

"The system is therefore not only ideal for hunting submarines but also for the wide-area reconnaissance of surface combatants," Rahman said.

The ATLAS India head said the Thai navy in December 2013 has also placed orders for its 70mm ACTA towed array sonars.

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New Delhi: Seeking to build capabilities of Indian private sector warship builders, the Defence Ministry has rejected the plea of a state-owned shipyard to participate in the Rs 25,000 crore project to construct four amphibious warfare vessels for the Indian Navy.
The Defence Ministry has decided that only private sector shipyards, including Pipavav, ABG and L and T, along with their foreign partners, would be allowed to take part in the Rs 25,000 crore project for building the four Landing Platform Docks, Navy sources said.
The Navy had issued tenders to these three private shipyards last year and decided to keep out Cochin Shipyard Limited (CSL), saying it was building the 40,000-tonne Indigenous Aircraft Carrier and it should focus on that major project only for the moment.
Rs 25,000 crore Navy tender only for private sector: Defence Ministry
The Defence Ministry has decided that only private sector shipyards, including Pipavav, ABG and L and T, along with their foreign partners, would be allowed to take part in the Rs 25,000 crore project.

However, CSL approached former Defence Minister AK Antony through the Ministry of Shipping and the deal was put on hold to consider whether the tender should be retracted or CSL could also be issued the tender and a committee under an
Additional Secretary was formed to look into the matter.
The committee report was presented before the last Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) of the UPA government in February but it was decided that it would be kept on hold. The new government decided to continue the tender in its original form and CSL will now not take part in it, the sources said, adding that the government wants to strengthen the capabilities of the private sector defence industry.
In a similar case, the Defence Ministry had rejected the plea of public sector firms to take part in a Rs 15,000 crore tender to build 56 transport aircraft for the air force and allowed only private players to take part in it. Soon after taking over, Prime Minister Narendra Modi outlined his vision for the defence sector, saying that Indian industry, including both private and public sector, should build their capabilities for achieving self-reliance and also look towards exporting military hardware to friendly foreign countries.
The Defence Ministry has taken several steps in this direction such as scrapping of the 197 light helicopter tender under which the choppers would now be built by Indian companies only.

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The Indian Navy’s wait for the much-needed anti-submarine warfare helicopters

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FORBIN said:

Many ships to fill which 2 CV carry about 10, Kolkata, Delhi, Shivalik, Godavari, Brahamapoutre 2, in more now new Kamorta with one.

aksha pls you confirm Kolkata based to Mumbai ?

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aksha said:

i do not know whether the ins kolkata will be based in mumbai, but after the naavy shifts to karwar a few ships ,i.e a 1 or 2 kolkata class destroyers or few of the older delhis or the talwars will be based in mumbai since mumbai is the economic capital of india and the presence of tha mazegaon docks there .


tell me forbin, what you think of the following
a few guys at the indian defence forum and barath rakshak forum(one of them having served on the delhis ,retd.) , seems to think that there are 2 more barak 8 cannisters inside the hull of the ship which slides in to replace the empty used up barak 8 cannisters . as you will remeber that when the first photos of the kolkata in trials came out ,there was a report by an analyst that the barak 8's cannisters will replaced at at sea by a tanker's crane . when the pics came in we in sd estimated the no. of barak 8's being 16 and no. of barak 1 being also 16. but both the indian navy and the mazegaon docks limited claim that there will be no barak 1's on board the kolkata,persumably they are temperory until they get the barak 8's.but the indian navy still claims that there are 64 barak 8's aboard but doesn't explain where they are.the wikipedia article claims that the kolkata has 2 ,32 celled barak 8 cannisters making 64,but unless the barak 8 is smaller than the barak 1 it does not seem to be possible .in our assesment we can count at max. 40 sam vls cells not 64.

i won't claim that the kolkata has more barak 8 cannisters inside her hull but instead

i will post my question as is it possible/feasible for the kolkata to have more cannisters(barak 8) inside her hull which slide in to replace the the emptied cannisters in war time,and how will they remove the empty cannisters i would also like to hear what jeff and other members have to say about this.i can't beleive that blundering MDL shipyard could have done this,but considering the amount of time they spend on it what if??most people also commented that she could have had more vls sam cells than they can see,lots of space left empty they say,, please tell what you think.does the kolkata hide more than we see?

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aksha said:

i do not know whether the ins kolkata will be based in mumbai, but after the naavy shifts to karwar a few ships ,i.e a 1 or 2 kolkata class destroyers or few of the older delhis or the talwars will be based in mumbai since mumbai is the economic capital of india and the presence of tha mazegaon docks there .


tell me forbin, what you think of the following
a few guys at the indian defence forum and barath rakshak forum(one of them having served on the delhis ,retd.) , seems to think that there are 2 more barak 8 cannisters inside the hull of the ship which slides in to replace the empty used up barak 8 cannisters . as you will remeber that when the first photos of the kolkata in trials came out ,there was a report by an analyst that the barak 8's cannisters will replaced at at sea by a tanker's crane . when the pics came in we in sd estimated the no. of barak 8's being 16 and no. of barak 1 being also 16. but both the indian navy and the mazegaon docks limited claim that there will be no barak 1's on board the kolkata,persumably they are temperory until they get the barak 8's.but the indian navy still claims that there are 64 barak 8's aboard but doesn't explain where they are.the wikipedia article claims that the kolkata has 2 ,32 celled barak 8 cannisters making 64,but unless the barak 8 is smaller than the barak 1 it does not seem to be possible .in our assesment we can count at max. 40 sam vls cells not 64.

i won't claim that the kolkata has more barak 8 cannisters inside her hull but instead

i will post my question as is it possible/feasible for the kolkata to have more cannisters(barak 8) inside her hull which slide in to replace the the emptied cannisters in war time,and how will they remove the empty cannisters i would also like to hear what jeff and other members have to say about this.i can't beleive that blundering MDL shipyard could have done this,but considering the amount of time they spend on it what if??most people also commented that she could have had more vls sam cells than they can see,lots of space left empty they say,, please tell what you think.does the kolkata hide more than we see?

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