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thunderchief

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Another Vikramaditya&Mig-29K video . Interesting points :

01:30 Look at Vikramaditya's hangar
03:43 Launch with combat load
04:35 Buddy refueling
07:00 Launch from forward(waist) position
09:35 Night landing

[video=youtube;kdI8PWmYEdU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdI8PWmYEdU#t=217[/video]
 

asif iqbal

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I read somewhere in a book (don't bother asking, don't remember the title) that the Kh-22 AShM was specifically designed to target naval-carriers. The Russians estimated that they would need 12 conventionally armed Kh-22 to sink a carrier (nimitz class) or just one nuclear armed Kh-22.

Their doctrine was a mass attack with these missiles against CBG's and then make a run back. The Bears could also carry the missile, but it's relativly slow speed would make such an attack suicide for the crew....

If a nuclear armed missile hits the carrier then it surely would be a game over but if you explode a nuclear device near a carrier chances are it will probably survive, many nuclear tests showed its pretty hard to sink ships with nukes the angle of the ship and direction of the blast makes the most difference

I am sure Pakistan militray planners have devised plans to neutralise Indian carriers when war comes knocking, either by a air attack or by a submarine attack or both

In addition to the vast array of anti ship missiles Pakistan has the sale of the CM-400AKG proves that these missiles are only intended for big ticket items, fast and huge warhead can only mean one thing it's for carriers or destroyers

A fast aircraft carrying a even faster missile is a huge threat and as much as hitting a surface vessal is huge plus point it gives you the momentum and advantage in war, if it stops in the water and is damaged even better and if it sinks you are laughing all the way to the bank!

Point really is you don't really need to sink these carriers if you can get close and hit them it will force a change of tactics or a withdrawal giving the other side valuable time to regroup and reorganise
 

Jeff Head

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Udupi Today said:
Kochi, 12 November 2013: The country's second aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya, being commissioned in Russia on November 16, will be stationed at the Karwar Naval base in Karnataka, a top Navy officer today said.

The 44,570-tonne warship, formerly known as Admiral Gorskhov, is being commissioned into Navy by Defence Minister A K Antony after which it would be brought to Karwar, Vice-Admiral Shekhar Sinha, Flag Officer Commanding in Chief of Western Naval Command, said.

The ship will take a month to reach India.

With the commissioning of Vikramaditya, Navy's reach and ability to respond in real time to developing situations in our area of responsibility would see a quantum leap, Sinha told reporters in a brief interaction after commissioning the first ALH (Dhruv) squadron here.

There has been huge cost overalls and delay in the delivery of the ship, whose repair and refitting work began in April 2004.

The ALH will be used for coastal security and maritime patrolling besides search and rescue, he said.

India had launched its first indigenous aircraft carrier INS Vikrant in August, thus joining the elite club of nations with the capability of designing and building a warship of this size and capability.

Theat ship is expected to be ready for trials in 2016 and is likely to be inducted into Navy by 2018.
 

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This is good news for the Indian Navy. Any nation that plans to operate multiple carriers operating fixed wing aircraft simply must have an advanced trainer to keep a steady stream of well trained personnel moving through the ranks.

The US uses a heavily modified "Hawk" design, manufactured by McDonald Douglas, the T-45, Goshawk, for this same purpose. The US Navy operates over 200 of these aircraft to keep its naval air wing infused with properly trained upcoming pilots.


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The US Navy's T-45, Goshawk, advanced naval jet trainer

But nothing is said that the Hawk 132 model is made for carrier ops, both take off and landing.
 

Franklin

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The Indian navy is going to lease a second Akula II class submarine. Two Akula II for two carrier battle groups ? The Viraat and the Vikramaditya and in the future Vikramaditya and the Vikrant. I wonder what the Indian navy use before they got the Akula's to escort their carriers. Perhabs none ? Eitherway i'm looking forward to seeing the Vikramaditya on Indian shores and follow her shakedown.
 

Jeff Head

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The Indian navy is going to lease a second Akula II class submarine. Two Akula II for two carrier battle groups ? The Viraat and the Vikramaditya and in the future Vikramaditya and the Vikrant. I wonder what the Indian navy use before they got the Akula's to escort their carriers. Perhabs none ? Eitherway i'm looking forward to seeing the Vikramaditya on Indian shores and follow her shakedown.
The had no SSN...and I doubt they used their Kilos. They simply are not fast enough to keep up woith a Carrier group.

But, the two Akulas are very capable vessels. More capable than the current PLAN SSNs. Perhaps the Type 095 will get close, but the Type 093s are not on par. But the Indian Navy will only have two. India really needs to be successful with its nculear submarine development and get a force of six or so SSNs.

I was told by a friend in the Indian Navy that there are four Mig-29K pilots who have already qualified in carrier take off and landings on the Vikramaditya up in Russian waters. If this is so, it will allow them to more rapidly train more when she gets down to India. Their goal is to get IOC within six months on the carrier air wing.
 

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The Hindu said:
At the quay adjoining Sevmash Shipyard’s enormous hull shop no. 55 is the aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya, getting decked up for its big day. The Cold War–era Russian carrier, which received a new lease of life after a five-year-long controversy-ridden period of “modernisation”, will on Saturday be inducted into the Indian Navy. The ceremony will be attended by Defence Minister A.K. Antony, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin and a host of other top officials including the naval chiefs of both countries.

After completion of minor interior works, Vikramaditya will set course for its historic 60-day voyage to Karnataka’s Karwar by the end of November with a 1,600-member Indian crew commanded by Captain Suraj Berry and a Russian surety team comprising 183 technicians, who will stay back in India for a year to ensure that the 44,500-tonne behemoth has a smooth sail.

A Talwar-class frigate and fleet tanker, INS Deepak, will escort Vikramaditya, which will be eventually joined by three other Indian vessels on way to its homeport at Karwar.

Andrey Dyachkov, Director-General of Russia’s Northern Shipbuilding Centre, which controls Sevmash, said negotiations were underway between both sides to ensure long-term fruitful service support to the carrier.

“The ship has been modernised and repaired. This allows us to say that it will be able to serve the Indian Navy for 40 years. Its life can be further enhanced if properly maintained. So we can safely say that it’s a whole new ship,” he told a group of Indian journalists.

Elaborating on the sea trials of the Vikramaditya, Sergey Novoselov, Head of the Military Technical Cooperation Division of Sevmash, said the carrier did exceedingly well during its trials in the White Sea that began on July 3.

“We’ve met all specifications and it attained a top speed of 29.5 knots without any glitch… The flight trials were witnessed by Vice-Admiral Shekhar Sinha, Flag Officer Commanding-in-Chief of India’s Western Naval Command. Out of the 8,600 miles the carrier sailed during trials, 1,700 miles were done under the command of Captain Berry, its Commanding Officer. There were more than 3,200 people aboard including 1,000-odd personnel from the Navy. However, the camaraderie was so good that we didn’t need help from the over 80 translators aboard as trials came to a close. Rear Admiral R. Hari Kumar [who previously commanded INS Viraat] headed the carrier acceptance team,” said Mr. Novoselov.

Officials of Sevmash said the trials also demonstrated the strength of the fortified hull of Vikramaditya. To a query on the carrier’s boilers, which malfunctioned during trials last year, leading to another spell of delay in delivery, Mr. Dyachkov said the yard had replaced asbestos with “another material” on the firebrick-wall at the suggestion of the Indian Navy. “After it failed, it was realised that asbestos was the best and that it would not jeopardise the health of seamen. So we installed asbestos and our decision was proved correct during trials,” he said.

On the issue of cost-escalation, Mr. Dyachkov said initially it wasn’t possible to fathom the scope of work on the vessel. The Indian Navy understood that deeper repairs and refurbishment became inevitable, he said. Mr. Novoselov said 2,500 km of cable network and 3,000 km of pipes were fully replaced. “Besides, all radio and electronic warfare equipment, fans, pipes and the like are new.”

Igor Leonav, chief commissioner of Sevmash, who is heading the guarantee team to India, said the carrier controlled 778 flights during trials. There were 88 landings, too, all piloted by Russians. The carrier’s jamming capability was demonstrated when the Sukhoi-33s, Kamovs, MiG-29s and the early warning aircraft A-50 all failed to paint it on their radars, he said. The carrier’s radar, on the contrary, could pick oncoming aircraft from a distance of 350-400 km, said Mr. Leonav.

(Vikramaditya is being delivered without any air defence capability, as it is devoid of any surface-to-air missile or close-in weapon systems, which would be retrofitted later).

So, so far we know that a Talwar frigate will escort her, and an AOR vessel. The sarticle says it is the Deepak, A50, which was launched in 2010. As they leave Russian waters, three more Indian vessels will join with the, I will list those here as we learn what they are. Perhaps one will be the Akula nuclear attack submarine, INS Chakra. I would expect two more of their modern indegenous frigates, Shivalik FFGs which are as big as most traditional destroyers.

Perhaps INS Trikand, F51 will be that first Talwar Frigate. She is their latest Talwar class and was also built in Russia. She was recently in Portsmouth, England.

Anyhow here is the group we are getting a picture of. The the last three are my own expectation:



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INS Virkamaditya Aircraft Carrier, 44,500 tons

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INS Trikand, F51, Guided-missile Frigate, 4,050 tons

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INS Deepak, A50, AOR Vessel, 27,000 tons

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INS Satpura, F48, Guided-missile Frigate, 6,800 tons

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INS Sahyadri, F49, Guided-missile Frigate, 6,800 tons

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INS Chakra, Nuclear attack submarine,

If the INdians send this group up to get the Vikramaditya and then escort her home, it will be an impressive Carrier Task Force grouping.
 

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This is good news for the Indian Navy. Any nation that plans to operate multiple carriers operating fixed wing aircraft simply must have an advanced trainer to keep a steady stream of well trained personnel moving through the ranks.

The US uses a heavily modified "Hawk" design, manufactured by McDonald Douglas, the T-45, Goshawk, for this same purpose. The US Navy operates over 200 of these aircraft to keep its naval air wing infused with properly trained upcoming pilots.


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The US Navy's T-45, Goshawk, advanced naval jet trainer

I hope the Indian Navy is not planning on using that Hawk for serious carrier training because that puny landing gear is going to break after a few takeoffs and landing! and if it's for long term training it's definitely not catapult capable!
 

Jeff Head

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I...that puny landing gear is going to break after a few takeoffs and landing! and if it's for long term training it's definitely not catapult capable!
Remember, their Vikramaditya which they are getting this week, and their new Vikrant which was launched incomplete last month and they will get in 2017-2018, are STOBAR carriers.

No cats. They will not have a cat carrier for at least another ten years if that.

I imagine the tailhook has been designed, along with the main gear, to handle the landings.

At least that's my estimation. The Indians know what they are about and will ensure that the new Hawk 132 aircraft will fit their bill.
 

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So the Indians will form a two carrier grouping as Virkamaditya sails home...from Oman on. That will be, for them, and impressive transit back to INdia. The two are to conduct exercises in the Arabian Sea once they get back.


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The Indian Express said:
Ending a nine-year wait, aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya will be inducted into the Indian Navy by Defence Minister A K Antony at the Sevmash shipyard in Severodvinsk, Russia on Saturday.

The first aircraft carrier to join the Navy in over two decades, Vikramaditya, the former Gorshkov, will set sail for India after the handing-over ceremony. It is likely to be greeted by a ship that already has a very special place in the Navy. INS Viraat, India's lone aircraft carrier, is said to be heading to Oman to escort the Vikramaditya home.

In a show of strength and capability, the two aircraft carriers are expected to sail together in the Arabian Sea before the Vikramaditya heads for its final berthing place in Karwar. The deployment will be one of the last overseas sailings for INS Viraat that has been in service with the Indian Navy since 1987 and is overdue for retirement, given that the hull is now over five decades old.

For Vikramaditya, the long journey home will be challenging — it will be unarmed, and will sail without weapons or fighter aircraft on board while making the transition from freezing seas to tropical waters. The Navy is planning a five-ship escort.

After it sets sail from Severodvinsk, the Vikramaditya, commanded by Commodore Suraj Berry, will be met by INS Deepak, a tanker ship, near Murmansk. Also tailing the aircraft carrier will be a Talwar-class frigate. Additional ships will join the convoy near Gibraltar. Though the final route home has not been revealed, the ship is likely to use the Suez Canal and will meet the Viraat once it reaches the Oman coast.

The escort is required especially as the route through the Suez will raise serious security issues given the multiple threats that can emerge in the region. The Navy has been tightlipped and has prepared the carrier for a sixty-day sail. This means that a route skirting Africa is also not being ruled out.
 
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