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siegecrossbow said:

Qing Dynasty after the western industrialization movement also has much higher population than Japan. It managed to take back Xinjiang despite Czarist Russia, humiliate the French in Vietnam, and even managed to competently design and manufacture small arms which is more than I could say for a certain hyper power. How did that turn out?

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Nevermore said:

The late Qing Dynasty faced issues of technological backwardness, outdated ideologies, and failed state governance, ultimately losing China's dominant control under foreign pressure. In contrast, India currently faces no external threats to its regime, lacks internal separatist motivations, enjoys rapid economic and technological growth, and harbors a strong desire to surpass the world's major powers.
I must emphasize that the leadership's outdated mindset was a major flaw, which directly led to the Qing Dynasty's hesitation in learning advanced Western science and technology. We know that science and technology are the primary productive forces.

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siegecrossbow said:

As long as they still cope and seethe about their present situation then there is no hope for improvement. When a country of India’s size is out competed by China, it’s not a big shame. But when it is getting clobbered by the likes of Vietnam and Bangladesh then that’s a real problem.

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siegecrossbow said:

And you make it sound like Hinduvta is much superior to the Manchu government. They are antagonizing everyone in their neighborhood simultaneously with the exception of Bhutan (vassal) and maybe Afghanistan. Don’t recall Qing China being so undiplomatic.

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Nevermore said:

I should remind everyone that it's high time we completely abandoned the notion that India is forever a failed nation. India is on the path to success.



India may well have dirty streets and chaotic, vulgar social order for the next two decades, yet it continues to develop in a positive direction through its own unique system—sustaining economic and technological progress, reforming institutions, and constantly gathering social feedback for optimization. You may dislike Modi as a person, you may dismiss his Hindu nationalist policies and manufacturing incentives as rubbish, but his policies have indeed united the Indian people and enabled India to recognize the fundamental conditions required to become a global power.



What truly destroys a nation's future is its internal chaos, rigidity, vicious infighting, and even fragmentation.—such as the class conflicts, racial tensions, and institutional inertia seen in Europe and the United States; or the ignorance and incompetence of African leaders coupled with a lack of state control; or the protracted civil wars and external conflicts plaguing Middle Eastern nations. These are the true hallmarks of a civilization's decline.



We observe India continuing to open its doors to the world, with its economy and technology maintaining rapid growth. The once-ridiculous social issues will be resolved one by one. High-speed rail, electric vehicles, stealth fighters, hypersonic weapons, lunar rockets, and high-end chips—India will conquer these challenges in turn. The only difference is that its pace of development will be one or two times slower than China's.



Of course, India also has its deep-seated flaws, which may well become the hidden dangers that lead to its eventual decline in the future—

India's land tenure system will significantly slow down the pace of urbanization in India.

Regional development in India will be among the most unequal globally, with massive youth unemployment and extreme income disparities in the future, which will fuel severe social class conflicts.

India's democratic system, combined with its massive population, inherently struggles to address issues of social equity. The country is likely to develop to a certain stage before descending into the political, social, and industrial chaos reminiscent of the United States.



Please note that the aforementioned issues are only likely to emerge once India has developed to a sufficiently advanced level. By that time, India will likely have achieved roughly half of China's GDP and will rank among the world's top nations in manufacturing and military capabilities. The tripartite division of the world will then enter a period of stability. Therefore, I advise everyone to view this future India—which will remain in its most rapid development phase for an extended period—with a calm and rational perspective.

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Randomuser said:

I have said in another post, when it comes to important things where stakes are high, you don't really have a big window of opportunity. The timeframe can be very small.

I think it's much worse now. Things are moving so fast due to the information age and AI. It's extremely easy to get left behind. This is global btw not just one country.

You can post all that stuff about India's potential etc. I would say at this point, talking about potential alone is kinda meaningless if you are not able to take all the correct effective actions in the short timeframe. The world just is moving too damn fast now.

Anyway this is a military thread so I don't wanna go any further into politics or whatever.

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Nevermore said:

I know what you're getting at. The global manufacturing sector is moving toward full automation and unmanned operations. Against this backdrop, India can only handle labor-intensive manufacturing and a handful of mid-to-high-end industries. India's demographic advantage has been overhyped—because labor-intensive industries worldwide will undergo massive downsizing in the future. India's massive pool of low-end labor will be fundamentally undermined, leaving countless urban Indians unemployed. Compounding the problem, the AI industry is now disrupting India's most prized sector—IT. India's mid-to-low-level IT workers will soon be replaced by cheaper AI solutions.
Is this true? — I completely agree with that statement. But what seems to be overlooked?
1. The demise of labor-intensive manufacturing is not an overnight phenomenon. In fact, global demand over the next fifteen years—including India's own—will sustain a significant volume of labor-intensive manufacturing. We should not focus solely on employment figures for all Indians; instead, we must examine output growth within India's relevant industries. As domestic wealth circulates, the demand generated by its urban population will support the development of numerous labor-intensive industries in India. This trajectory remains unaffected by the automation revolution currently unfolding elsewhere in the world.
2. Robust economic growth driven by India's endogenous demand. India possesses vast potential for expansion in urban infrastructure and service sector jobs. These positions rely on government-funded projects, wealth spillovers from developed cities, and industries fueled by domestic demand. Their interconnectedness forms a large-scale internal circulation system capable of sustaining long-term development and wealth distribution—this is the inherent strength of the service sector.
3. India is emulating the catch-up development model pioneered by South Korea, Japan, and China. By implementing industrial policies and production subsidies, India is stimulating domestic research and production sectors while attracting foreign investment to establish factories and research institutes. Although it cannot yet reach advanced levels, government subsidies are forcibly driving the adoption of certain "mature" high-tech applications. Currently, India lags only in scale and competitiveness, but as both domestic and international markets expand, its scale will grow rapidly.

Overall, we shouldn't focus on how many people in India still live in abject poverty. What we need to pay attention to is how many new production lines have been established in India this year, next year, and the year after; which technologies have matured; and how much domestic demand has grown. We should observe India's overall economic growth rate and manufacturing growth rate—much like China's early days, when most development was concentrated in the southeastern coastal regions. If you believe India will decline in the future, you might as well bet on how many years it can sustain a 7.5% growth rate.

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siegecrossbow said:

They’ve had the last three decades to capitalize on this. In fact they entered WTO earlier than China and so far the results are anemic at best. When given the opportunity to join free trade agreements in the past they either chicken out or try to basically scam corporations into setting shop there and then extract their pound of flesh. Are you telling me that things are miraculously different now? Give me a break. If they flopped after they got essentially handed the golden opportunity post Covid/first trade war, what makes you think they can effectively take advantage of the situation now when everything is automated away?

Until there is legitimate progress in land reform I don’t believe they’ll amount to much. If the can’t even handle the pain and inconvenience of something so basic then there is no chance of legitimate reform.

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Nevermore said:

I actually believe that India's current policies differ significantly from those over a decade ago. Today's policies are far more aggressive in promoting the introduction of production lines and technologies compared to that period. Back then, India's policies still focused on protecting domestic backward production capacity and prioritizing the IT sector, whereas now there is a clear shift toward subsidizing manufacturing.
It's not that India can instantly become the world's third-largest economy, but rather that it is entering a positive feedback loop. The global trend toward manufacturing automation won't have a devastating impact on India. Thanks to its protection of the domestic market, India can retain its backward, labor-intensive manufacturing sectors while also developing advanced production capabilities through technology imports and the cultivation of its vast domestic market. Land reform issues will significantly slow its modernization process, but the impact on core industrial cities remains manageable under government guidance.
What countermeasures does China have in response? We can look forward to the future global export market. If the global market remains sufficiently open, China could defeat Indian brands in most countries, just as it has defeated Korean and Japanese brands. This would significantly undermine India's related industries.

*I should add that India's land reform issues not only slow its development pace but also lower the ceiling on how much growth it can achieve. Even so, that ceiling remains exceptionally high.

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siegecrossbow said:

News flash, manufacturing as percentage of the GDP actually went down under Modi. Last off topic statement I’m gonna give.

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