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Indian's comparison between their LCA-MK2 & Rafale F5
So much for their bragging again and again about their space prowess. This is against a very low number of actual launches. They had only 5 launches in 2025 including the failed PSLV mission C61 in May.
This is the second consecutive failure of the PSLV -- mission C62. PSLV is their self-proclaimed trusty "work horse." This program had a total of just 64 launches in 30 years with five failures including the last two launches. Nearly a 10% failure rate even when launching an abysmaly low average of 2 PSLV "work horse" per year.
This is a horrendous trend where your supposed back bone that is already putting up such a low level of launches is now failing in consecutive attempts.
This is the second consecutive failure of the PSLV -- mission C62. PSLV is their self-proclaimed trusty "work horse." This program had a total of just 64 launches in 30 years with five failures including the last two launches. Nearly a 10% failure rate even when launching an abysmaly low average of 2 PSLV "work horse" per year.
This is a horrendous trend where your supposed back bone that is already putting up such a low level of launches is now failing in consecutive attempts.
Notable things about Rafale deal:
1. Direct govt-to-govt deal. No other vendor can apply. This shows panic. You would only want this if you want something done as quickly as possible. Obviously this is beneficial for France.
2. Almost no real indigenisation. Tata is supposed to build fuselages, which will then be used to supply not only Indian Rafales but also global orders. However, value content for the entire jet will only be 60%. This is not what was supposed to happen. India is going back to square one.
3. An implicit admission that the Indian govt doesn't trust the US and made a critical error in involving the Americans so deeply in the Tejas programme. Rafale is ITAR-free.
1. Direct govt-to-govt deal. No other vendor can apply. This shows panic. You would only want this if you want something done as quickly as possible. Obviously this is beneficial for France.
2. Almost no real indigenisation. Tata is supposed to build fuselages, which will then be used to supply not only Indian Rafales but also global orders. However, value content for the entire jet will only be 60%. This is not what was supposed to happen. India is going back to square one.
3. An implicit admission that the Indian govt doesn't trust the US and made a critical error in involving the Americans so deeply in the Tejas programme. Rafale is ITAR-free.
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This is the weirdest comparison chart i have seen
To be fair i dont think anyone in india-us circles was expecting the relationship to do 180 like they did esp with 'Trump Sarkar' Modi's buddy buddy
Even they admit that radar range on Rafale is suboptimal.
Sub optimal radar, spaghetti AWACS fleet and datalinks, hmm what could go wrong..
Only in absolute terms, which don't matter that much.
Realistically speaking, Rafale maintained significant radar advantage over much of market competition for a whole decade.
It also produces fire control solutions v non-stealth targets(including reduced observability) at sufficient ranges. It doesn't produce on its own those against stealth, sure, but few do - and overall rafale suit v stealth is more of its platform advantage on the market, rather than opposite.
IIt isn't bad, it won't become success it now is being bad. Bad is it won't be 2010s anymore, it will be 2030s.
According to mainstream Indian media outlet, , India is currently negotiating with France to acquire 114 additional Dassault Rafales. Per the report, a majority of the airframes will be "manufactured" in India, but with only 30% of the inputs sourced indigenously:
Moreover, in this proposed deal, India will be denied access to Dassault's source codes for the Rafale platform:
Without access to Dassault's source codes, the integration of much touted Indian made munitions like the Astra series of air to air missiles will inevitably be delayed, precluded or otherwise made significantly more difficult, even if the French are to promise otherwise given the financial implications at play. The French authorities will obviously prefer to export more of their own bombs and missiles to India than to let the Indians freely integrate their own.
What's perhaps especially interesting and truly fascinating is that India's interest in 114 additional Rafales was apparently spawned by the IAF Rafales in May 2025 against Chinese made systems operated by Pakistan
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Moreover, in this proposed deal, India will be denied access to Dassault's source codes for the Rafale platform:
Without access to Dassault's source codes, the integration of much touted Indian made munitions like the Astra series of air to air missiles will inevitably be delayed, precluded or otherwise made significantly more difficult, even if the French are to promise otherwise given the financial implications at play. The French authorities will obviously prefer to export more of their own bombs and missiles to India than to let the Indians freely integrate their own.
What's perhaps especially interesting and truly fascinating is that India's interest in 114 additional Rafales was apparently spawned by the IAF Rafales in May 2025 against Chinese made systems operated by Pakistan
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you forget to mention. this deal worth 36 Billion freaking dollars ..According to mainstream Indian media outlet, , India is currently negotiating with France to acquire 114 additional Dassault Rafales. Per the report, a majority of the airframes will be "manufactured" in India, but with only 30% of the inputs sourced indigenously:
Moreover, in this proposed deal, India will be denied access to Dassault's source codes for the Rafale platform:
Without access to Dassault's source codes, the integration of much touted Indian made munitions like the Astra series of air to air missiles will inevitably be delayed, precluded or otherwise made significantly more difficult, even if the French are to promise otherwise given the financial implications at play. The French authorities will obviously prefer to export more of their own bombs and missiles to India than to let the Indians freely integrate their own.
What's perhaps especially interesting and truly fascinating is that India's interest in 114 additional Rafales was apparently spawned by the IAF Rafales in May 2025 against Chinese made systems operated by Pakistan
it was previously reported 22 Billions USD.
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