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siegecrossbow said:

Tejas MK2 will have canards though. So does Rafale but according to Indian experts those are stealthy canards.

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Those cannards are controlled by advanced software to maintain an optimal position to be as stealthy as possible within the limitations set by aerodynamics
Rafale doesn’t have these features and rafales aren’t as RCS optimised as Tejas or for that matter even gripen

zavve said:

AMCA will fly in 2035 at the earliest, meanwhile China has J-20 operational and J-35 in testing right now. Of course AMCA is the only 5th gen currently being developed, all major players already have 5th gen or are developing 6th gen like Tempest and NGAD. The absolute majority of people outside of India believes J-20 is a 5th gen fighter.

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You really shouldn’t hurt his feelings like that. Whenever that happens he’ll take his bs and smear it all over our flagship threads.

zavve said:

AMCA will fly in 2035 at the earliest

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I think the current official timeline is to have AMCA take first flight in 2025. No doubt this will slip but I suspect by no more than a few years, i.e. before 2030. The real challenge will be to progress from first flight to squadron service. Recall that LCA first flew in 2001.

zavve said:

As I've said many times before in a nicer way than I'm saying now, anyone who thinks Tejas Mk1A is better than Gripen E, F-15EX etc is smoking something.

Except for the fact that China does not export their best fighters (J-20, J16 etc). Tejas is the best and only combat aircraft India makes and they can't even sell that to the Philippines (lost to F-16 and Gripen)

SAAB has not been trying to develop maritime Gripen since 2018 because it has never been in development. It was a proposal to export it to India because their programme (LCA-N) was a shitshow.

I think many here are thinking that the 0.5m^2 figure that you're talking about is in the optimal conditions, ie no weapons/drop tanks and at the best angle for the smallest possible RCS. In combat conditions, the RCS would be exponentially higher.

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Ignoring rants and answering facts
1. 100% rant 0% facts , ignored
2. 50% rant 50% facts , nobody except for bankrupt Pakistan would buy chinese fighter jets that’s the primary reason , rants ignored facts answered
3.SAAB is trying to develop gripen maritime since 2018
4. The publicly available figure for RCS of Tejas MK1 block is 0.5 meter square

Lethe said:

I think the current official timeline is to have AMCA take first flight in 2025. No doubt this will slip but I suspect by no more than a few years, i.e. before 2030. The real challenge will be to progress from first flight to squadron service. Recall that LCA first flew in 2001.

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HAL says it’s 2025 but given the record of HAL it’s highly unlikely I expect the first prototype of AMCA to take first flight 2027-28
Development of Tejas MK2 started in 2009 and it was to enter mass production in 2018 but now it has to enter mass production in 2025-26

Chandragupt said:

Ignoring rants and answering facts
1. 100% rant 0% facts , ignored
2. 50% rant 50% facts , nobody except for bankrupt Pakistan would buy chinese fighter jets that’s the primary reason , rants ignored facts answered
3.SAAB is trying to develop gripen maritime since 2018

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4. The publicly available figure for RCS of Tejas MK1 block is 0.5 meter square

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1. I was stating facts, Gripen E, F-15EX, KF-21 > Tejas Mk1A/MK2 (all 4th generation fighters)
2. I wasn't even ranting? Just simply stating that Tejas is the only Indian aircraft in production meanwhile China only exports their lower end fighters.
3. Just because they published a info sheet doesn't mean it is in development.
4. I refer back to the statement you quoted but didn't respond to.

zavve said:

1. I was stating facts, Gripen E, F-15EX, KF-21 > Tejas Mk1A/MK2 (all 4th generation fighters)
2. I wasn't even ranting? Just simply stating that Tejas is the only Indian aircraft in production meanwhile China only exports their lower end fighters.
3. Just because they published a info sheet doesn't mean it is in development.
4. I refer back to the statement you quoted but didn't respond to.

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Remember these facts are not the same facts chandra believes in. In India there is freedom of belief, as long as u believe it must be true and is a fact.

China's definition of aircraft generations define J20 as 4th gen, because we started at gen 1.

India started designing in gen 5, that's why Chandra is wrong, Tejas is actually gen 6 like I said earlier. It is so stealthy, it is invisible to the naked eye. India already have 500 Tejas on each of their aircraft carriers, since the plane is so small. And have 100000 for the air force. And according to Chandra, India perfected everything there is to perfect, so no further improvements needed. Also, it is so perfect, so the most perfect people can see them, such undermench such as u and I can't see them, invisible see.

Am I supposed to believe that a country like China who possess the 2nd most supercomputers in the world, leads the world in 5g development, R&D funding, patents couldn't make a 5th gen fighter but India can?

In what factual, measurable categories does India lead China? You have done nothing but literally make a mockery of people's intelligence by your insistence that garbage and upon garbage you posts are facts and the counter arguments against your rants are just that, rants.

I would not dismiss Indian know-how and capabilities to come up with something amazing if there's precedence, correlative data, measures in research papers, supercomputers, AI, quantum computing, scientific publications and literature etc...India does not rank near or top on any of these categories which is why I find your drivel vomit inducing.

I would caution that sdf members get into a big fight here on china vs India. There is really no need to compare the two. China is doing well. If our friend here thinks India is also doing well, then that's great. Let's keep the topic on just India military itself please.

Lethe said:

I think the current official timeline is to have AMCA take first flight in 2025. No doubt this will slip but I suspect by no more than a few years, i.e. before 2030. The real challenge will be to progress from first flight to squadron service. Recall that LCA first flew in 2001.

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As I understand it, most recently its induction is hoped to occur mid next decade (2035), but whether that may slip further to the right is still an open question.

When a first flight could make sense for a 2035 induction date, is of course unclear especially in context of the Indian defense industry history.