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India Today said:
The Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas will be inducted in the IAF later this month in Bangalore.

The aircraft achieved another significant milestone today with the launching of an infrared seeking air-to-air missile that hit the target with precision and destroyed the target, a DRDO statement said.

The Initial Operational Clearance-II of the aircraft will be done on December 20 at its home-base in Bangalore after which it will be inducted into the IAF by Defence Minister AK Antony, Defence officials said here.

The aircraft will be the LCA Mark 1 and 40 of them will be inducted by the IAF and the DRDO and HAL will continue to make improvements in it and that more powerful and capable version would be inducted later in the force, they said.

The IAF, if everything moves ahead as per the present plans, will have a total of seven squadrons of such aircraft which comes to about 140 aircraft.

The aircraft project was sanctioned in 1983 at a cost of Rs 560 crore, the project will be completed exactly 30 years after it was launched at an approximate overall cost of around Rs 25,000 crore.

Even after its induction into the IAF, the aircraft will undergo several tests in the force and will have to attain the Final Operational Clearance (FOC) for getting ready for full operational deployment.

Meanwhile, the missile firing test demonstrated the required parameters and was conducted off the coast of Goa in Arabian Sea, DRDO said.

DRDO chief Avinash Chander congratulated the missile testing team, saying that with “this launch of missile from Tejas and successfully hitting the target in the first shot, we have demonstrated the total weapon system capability of LCA Tejas.”

The LCA has been undergoing weapon release flight tests, for its operational clearance and eliminated an aerial target towed by the pilotless target aircraft Lakshya using its infrared seeker air-to-air missile.
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So, finally, India has produced its own indigenous attack/fighter aircraft, and it is not a bad little aircraft either. It will be able to serve off of their carriers as well. Their Air Force will receive about 140 of them. I expect their Navy will get 24-36 more before all is said and done.
 
timepass

timepass

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India Today said:
The Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas will be inducted in the IAF later this month in Bangalore.

The aircraft will be the LCA Mark 1 and 40 of them will be inducted by the IAF.

The IAF, if everything moves ahead as per the present plans, will have a total of seven squadrons of such aircraft which comes to about 140 aircraft.
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That's what matters most in Indian case.........
 
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Jeff Head

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timepass said:
India Today said:
The Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas will be inducted in the IAF later this month in Bangalore.

The aircraft will be the LCA Mark 1 and 40 of them will be inducted by the IAF.

The IAF, if everything moves ahead as per the present plans, will have a total of seven squadrons of such aircraft which comes to about 140 aircraft.
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That's what matters most in Indian case.........
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No, what matters most is that the IAF is inducting 40 IOC aircraft on December 20th. That's real. The other is just you disparaging India and indicating your personal bias that they will not reach their future, stated goals.

Future production levels, like those with respect to the PLANs J-15, are something in the future. Making disparaging comments about what may or may not happen in the future, without a factual basis to back up the negative comment is not productive.

This is the Indan Military News thread. Where we post what is happening with respect to India's military...news and official announcements, pictures, etc.. That is what this post is about. It is not a place for others to come and simply disparage India...that type of thing would also not be tolerated on the Chinese threads.

So, discussing the realities and the technical reasons they may or may not reach their goals is one thing...and fine. but just posting a "drive by," disparaging commment is not.

BTW, timepass, please read the Forum Ruleshttp://www.sinodefenceforum.com/announcements/forum-rules-all-members-please-read-20.htmlhttp://www.sinodefenceforum.com/announcements/forum-rules-all-members-please-read-20.html. Use of Blue or Red in posted comments is reserved for moderators on this forum.
 
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On the subject of mast vs hull mounted APARs, well I would speculate that the choice is more down to the desired radar range and power, rather than any specific ABM function.

Obviously having very good radar range and very high peak power would be a huge benefit for ABM, it is not only for ABM that the designers and admirals would want that extra range and power.

The choice is a very simple one, either you have smaller arrays higher up, sacrificing range and power for better radar horizons and warning time against sea skimming bogies, or you place your arranges lower down in the hull, but have far bigger arrays with correspondingly more range and power.

Personally, I think the PLAN may got for both, with their future frigates sporting high mast mounted PARs while their destroyers and cruisers have big beef arrays lower down in the hull. That would be pretty much the same balance as the PLAN currently enjoy with its 054A and 052C mix.

With China's long term carrier ambitions, I think the balance may swing further in favour of bigger hull mounted arrays once the PLAN start fielding carriers with fixed wing AWACS/AEW aircraft, which will pretty much eliminate the need to mount sensors higher in ships.
 
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plawolf said:
On the subject of mast vs hull mounted APARs, well I would speculate that the choice is more down to the desired radar range and power, rather than any specific ABM function.

The choice is a very simple one, either you have smaller arrays higher up, sacrificing range and power for better radar horizons and warning time against sea skimming bogies, or you place your arranges lower down in the hull, but have far bigger arrays with correspondingly more range and power.

Personally, I think the PLAN may got for both, with their future frigates sporting high mast mounted PARs while their destroyers and cruisers have big beef arrays lower down in the hull. That would be pretty much the same balance as the PLAN currently enjoy with its 054A and 052C mix.
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Well said, Wolf.

And when we look at this picture of the Indian Kolkata at sea:


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It is clear to me that the Indians, at least with these Kolkata DDGs, are trying to get a fairly beefy array up high and try and enjoy the best of both worlds.

Time will tell if they are effective at accomplishing that or not.
 
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agree with your analysis. When the U.S. designed the Tico, the decision of radar location obviously wasn't based on BMD requirement. The main threat back then was Soviet high angle attack missiles such as Kh-22, therefore the decision to use big powerful radar array mounted in the superstructure was logical (fortunately BMD mission have similar requirements) Another reason is that AESA technology didn't exist when Tico was designed. Big and heavy PAR arrays were all that was possible, therefore the mast position was never an option.
But by the time 052C was been designed, the main threat faced by PLAN were all sea-skimming missiles. So why the choice of big superstructure arrays? Can the reason because China doesn't have modern volume search radar? The L-band Type 518 Hai Ying seems to be largely a failure, replaced by Type 517M. But the VHF Type 517M is only a 2D radar, so it can only serve as compliment to another long range 3D radar. PLAN still haven't fielded a reliable modern long range search radar. Nothing like the SMART-L, and not even a system as good as the old reliable SPS-49 or the LW-08 found on Kolkata DDG. Therefore the AESA on 052C must largely handle volume search duty by itself, so it has to be big and therefore the mast position is not an option.

plawolf said:
On the subject of mast vs hull mounted APARs, well I would speculate that the choice is more down to the desired radar range and power, rather than any specific ABM function.

Obviously having very good radar range and very high peak power would be a huge benefit for ABM, it is not only for ABM that the designers and admirals would want that extra range and power.

The choice is a very simple one, either you have smaller arrays higher up, sacrificing range and power for better radar horizons and warning time against sea skimming bogies, or you place your arranges lower down in the hull, but have far bigger arrays with correspondingly more range and power.

Personally, I think the PLAN may got for both, with their future frigates sporting high mast mounted PARs while their destroyers and cruisers have big beef arrays lower down in the hull. That would be pretty much the same balance as the PLAN currently enjoy with its 054A and 052C mix.

With China's long term carrier ambitions, I think the balance may swing further in favour of bigger hull mounted arrays once the PLAN start fielding carriers with fixed wing AWACS/AEW aircraft, which will pretty much eliminate the need to mount sensors higher in ships.
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timepass

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Jeff Head said:
No, what matters most is that the IAF is inducting 40 IOC aircraft on December 20th. That's real. The other is just you disparaging India and indicating your personal bias that they will not reach their future, stated goals.

Future production levels, like those with respect to the PLANs J-15, are something in the future. Making disparaging comments about what may or may not happen in the future, without a factual basis to back up the negative comment is not productive.

This is the Indan Military News thread. Where we post what is happening with respect to India's military...news and official announcements, pictures, etc.. That is what this post is about. It is not a place for others to come and simply disparage India...that type of thing would also not be tolerated on the Chinese threads.

So, discussing the realities and the technical reasons they may or may not reach their goals is one thing...and fine. but just posting a "drive by," disparaging commment is not.

BTW, timepass, please read the Forum Ruleshttp://www.sinodefenceforum.com/announcements/forum-rules-all-members-please-read-20.htmlhttp://www.sinodefenceforum.com/announcements/forum-rules-all-members-please-read-20.html. Use of Blue or Red in posted comments is reserved for moderators on this forum.
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WOW!!!!!

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thunderchief

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INS Vikramaditya left Murmansk and Russian territorial waters and started long journey towards India .First scheduled stop is in Lisbon, capital of Portugal. Current escort consist of just one frigate and one tanker .

Aircraft Carrier INS Vikramaditya weathers storm in the Barents Sea

Indian aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya braved a stom as it crossed the Russian Borders on the evening of 7th December. The ship had departed after its scheduled stop at Murmansk, where it was replenished.

During its journey in Barents Sea, the ship faced winds blowing and Spray from the waves overwhelmed the flight deck windows and reached the pilothouse. “Vikramaditya” once again showed excellent seaworthiness. Indian sailors steered the aircraft carrier in such difficult conditions, coped well “, said Igor Leonov, who is responsible for delivery of the ship, which is headed towards India. He stressed that the ships systems are functioning normally.

The aircraft carrier is accompanied by tanker INS Deepak” and the frigate INS Trikhand. The ship will sail along coast of Norway before entering North Sea, sail by UK, cross the Bay of Biscay and reach Lisbon, capital of Portugal, where it will replenish and refuel.
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So, finally, India has produced its own indigenous attack/fighter aircraft, and it is not a bad little aircraft either. It will be able to serve off of their carriers as well. Their Air Force will receive about 140 of them. I expect their Navy will get 24-36 more before all is said and done.
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As much as it took them long enough to get to this stage, Tejas is already obsolete at this time.
 
Jeff Head

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MwRYum said:
As much as it took them long enough to get to this stage, Tejas is already obsolete at this time.
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No, it is not obsolete. It will have a full service life ahead of it.

It is not a bad 4th gen attack fighter. And it is something the Indians can deploy on their carrier that they can build themselves.

It is better than the Harrier, but certainly not as good as the Mig-29K. it is also not as expensive, and as I said, is something they can build themselves.

With a Mach 1.8 top speed, a decent thrust to weight ratio (1.07), a couple of hundred mile unrefueled combat radius, 8 hard point to carry all sort of air to air, air to ground, and anti-shipping weaponry, it will be a good addition to their air wing.

Clearly, the new 5th gen aircraft, and more advanced 4.5 gen aircraft have better characteristics. But the Tejas is not bad, and it is a good start for the Indians in terms of their own indigenous industry.
 
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