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The American academic who starts speaking around 1:23:00 absolutely ruins Indian's egos. Even though she is ideologically in support of India against Pakistan (notice the "India's got every right to have bombed the F*** out of Pakistan), the subtext of her talk was about the Indians attempt at obfuscating the truths just like the Pakistanis. Except the Indian claims of F-16 shootdown and successful precision strikes were fabrications not just made for some political gain, but much much lower... to save face and distract from uncomfortable truths. Those being, India got the strikes wrong, India lost at least one fighter, India failed to take out a single PAF asset, India had to misrepresent and perhaps even fake (strike results and radar blips) evidence to support their claims. The only solid thing they've got is an AMRAAM wreck which proves one thing and one thing only; at least one AMRAAM was fired. That's it!

Her frustration at the total focus the Indian side has with mud slinging is obvious. She'd clearly rather they spent less effort winning small PR battles and more effort actually achieving. The guy talking in the first quarter says they'll eventually show HUD/cockpit footage proving F-16 shootdown. They keep saying that but are still working on the photoshops. That MS Paint radar blip stuff failed so now they realise more time is needed to correctly come up with some more convincing fake evidence.

BTW throughout all this, the JF-17s successfully escorted Mirage strike package into Indian territory, dropped ordinance (who knows how accurately) and GTFO without IAF being able to successfully engage let alone shoot down a single JF-17 or Mirage. This had to have been made possible by one or both of two things; JF-17 EW/ECM that made a mess of IAF and/or utter incompetence of IAF.

BTW that idiot using a photo of two Su-30MKIs in celebration... lol? IAF could parade and "replace" shot down MKI with another. Duh. That Indian speaker is truly next level stooooopid for presenting such a thing as "convincing evidence". And those blurry photos of slight dots in the sky he claims are F-16 and pilot ejecting... sorry not 100% convincing. Not even close.

berserk said:

No she didn't... she is no expert on technical matters. she lied & got corrected by Sameer Joshi an aviator & a veteran of kargil war an actual war hero... & JF 17 was a massive failure in 27th engagement & what did it escorted to where ? It must have escorted those EW back to China after it turn out to be a big failure to counter IAF strike package on 26th & pathetic show on 27th .

& as for parading 2 SU 30, PAF claimed it has shot down one of them.... they even made a monument for it.

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If JF-17 was a failure cus it didn't kill anything then everything India has is a massive failure because nothing India has touched any Pakistani aircraft. US performed F-16 count and found none missing; India lying to save face again LOL. The only thing Indians can shoot down it their own helicopter.

I think this whole 27Feb skirmish has been talked to the end across the spectrum of military/political/national forums.

Neither side are going to back down from their claims. They can't afford to. Prestige, pride and honor is at stake. National moral and faith in their armed forces are at stake.

As far as evidence goes, evidence as in real, tangible, devoid of tampering -
1. The crash debris of a fighter jet.
2. Some Air to Air Missile debris.
3. The crash debris of a Helicopter.

All other "evidences" and "claims", not withstanding the question of authenticity after factoring in the delay, are basically subject to tampering.

The military of both countries do know what happened. One can, after the fog of war and information war had been lifted, see how much this landmark confrontation is affecting both militaries by the decisions they take to address the issues.

1. Country A has bought advanced long range AAM from a foreign source.
2. Country B has initiated court martial led certain members of their troops for committing friendly fire.
3. Country B also has requested for bundling a very technologically advanced AAM with their newly ordered 4.5 Gen fighter.
4. Country B has iterated, officially, its dissatisfaction with certain AAM in their possession and has seeked to initiate buying a different foreign system.

Hey I'm reporting on facts and words from two pro indian experts. Berserk can take it or keep his head in the sand. The other readers can see it and India's attempt at winning the war of perception (as that indian man was discussing in the question section of the video) is of the only importance to India. Perception. How others including Indian citizens see Modi's party and their actions.

Notice how the military magazine man and the woman are both pro India but so very tired of Indian inabilities in actual combat because the war of perception seems to be all that matters to the BJ party. They're so tired of being associated and supporting people who don't understand what EW really is so the man attempted an explanation. It's all right there in the video. Worth a watch despite the overly simplified analogies and explanations... toned for its audience.

IAF was made blind and deaf by jf-17 which escorted mirage to drop ordinance which sent a message to India. Pakistan can touch you where they want, when they want and maintain their complete coordination and networked communication from radio to precision guidance, while making India shoot at friendly aircraft because IAF was made blind and deaf by jf-17.

If it weren't then how did su-30mki all give up? How did mig-21 not receive calls to return and then get shot down? How did IAF fail to take down one target in a target rich environment? How did IAF allow PAF to do as they pleased while PAF pushed IAF however they wanted?

Guys let's tone things down a bit and discuss with a bit more civility lest Deino remove posts again.

Rs 26k-crore order for building Tejas Mark 1A to open door for Mark 2

Delivery of Tejas Mark 1A will begin 36 months after the contract date

After months of negotiations, the Indian Air Force (IAF) and Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) have fixed the price of the Mark 1A light combat aircraft (LCA) at about Rs 310 crore per fighter, say Ministry of Defence (MoD) sources involved in the negotiations.



Now HAL is awaiting a formal contract, worth some Rs 26,000 crore for building 83 Mark 1A fighters that the MoD has already green-lighted for purchase. According to the agreed schedule, delivery of the Mark 1A will begin 36 months after the contract date. If the order is placed at the start of 2020, Mark IA deliveries will start in 2023.


With 16 fighters to be delivered each year it would take another five years to deliver all 83 fighters – that is by 2028.

should be signing the contract very soon”, IAF boss, Air Chief Marshal RKS Bhadauria, had said on October 4. That is now imminent.


Girish Deodhare, chief of the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) – the Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO) agency responsible for the Tejas programme – spoke exclusively to Business Standard about the Tejas Mark 1A fighter. He described it as a bridge between the current Tejas Mark 1 and the Mark 2 fighter that ADA is developing. He says the latter will be, from the standpoint of size, sophistication and capability, far superior to the Mark 1 fighter.


While the Mark 1A light fighter will have the same fuselage and General Electric (GE) F-404 engine as the Mark 1, the Mark 2 will be a significantly larger medium fighter with the more powerful GE F-414 engine.


“Initially the Tejas Mark 2 was planned to be just a re-engined Mark 1 (with a more powerful engine). However, with the advent of the Mark 1A, it was decided that Tejas Mark 2 would be configured with significantly higher capabilities. While the ‘all up weight’ (maximum take-off weight, with fuel and weapons) of Tejas Mark 1 is 13.5 tonnes, the Mark 2 will be 17.5 tonnes, taking it into the medium weight category. It will also carry an 85 per cent higher weapons load,” said Deodhare.


While ADA is developing the Mark 2 fighter, HAL is building the Mark 1A, with ADA contributing its expertise in avionics, flight controls, aerodynamics and structural analysis.


While the Tejas Mark 2 will be almost a generation ahead of the Mark 1 fighter, even the interim Tejas Mark 1A will be far more capable. The IAF has demanded five new capabilities in the Mark 1A, including “active electronic scanned array” (AESA) radar, with multi-tasking capability that would give it a clear combat edge over Pakistan’s entire fighter fleet, and most of China’s as well.


“The initial batches of the Tejas Mark 1A mayfield an imported AESA radar, but the DRDO is developing its indigenous Uttam AESA radar. As soon as it is proven, the Uttam will start equipping the Tejas Mark 1A,” said Deodhare.


The Uttam AESA radar is already flying on a Tejas prototype and has completed 11 successful test flights. “We need to do a couple of more years of flight testing before it is certified and ready for production. Thereafter, all Tejas Mark 1A will incorporate the indigenous radar”, he said.


This incremental approach is also evident in the “digital flight control computer” (DFCC) – a fighter aircraft’s brain – that ADA has designed and qualified for the Tejas Mark 2. The upgraded DFCC is ready and qualified, but it could not go into the Mark 1A because it was built bigger to allow easier maintenance access in the larger Mark 2 fighter.


“We took the upgraded cards from the Tejas Mark 2’s DFCC and installed them into the smaller Mark 1 DFCC chassis, effectively upgrading it for the Mark IA. The new Mark 1A DFCC will have significantly higher processing power allows us to add many more advanced capabilities in the FCS,” said Deodhare.


In addition, the Tejas Mark IA is being upgraded with a “self-protection jammer” (SPJ), also supplied by Elta, which the IAF has demanded in order to confuse incoming missiles. Each Mark 1A fighter will carry a SPJ on a pod under its wing, sharing a mounting station with an air-to-air missile.


Giving the Tejas Mark 2 the contemporary look of the Rafale and Eurofighter, it will be built with canards on the front of the fuselage. These fin-like structures serve to make the aircraft unstable, and therefore more manoeuvrable. Deodhare says ADA decided to fit canards after discovering that increasing the Mark 2’s internal fuel capacity to 3300 kilogrammes (from 2400 kg in the Mark1) made the fighter excessively stable. Designing canards near the nose of the aircraft regained its manoeuvrability.


“We are targeting the first flight of the Tejas Mark 2 by 2023. We are confident of this since most of the technologies that will go into it are already matured through LCA Mark 1,” said Deodhare.




Reaching new heights

• Delivery of Tejas Mark 1A will begin 36 months after the contract date
• If the order is placed at the start of 2020, Mark IA deliveries will start in 2023
• Tejas Mark 2 fighter to fly by 2023
• First flight of the Mark 2 is being targeted by 2023: Girish Deodhare, ADA chief

44 million USD per jet

berserk said:

UTTAM will come later , when it matures....as we don't have a decade long experience like Chinese on AESA .. I think we need to import SU 35 like PLAAF to get all the necessary experience...if you know what I mean. . I wonder if Pakistani are comfortable with Chinese AESA .

oh! Sorry brother I think I need to learn Chinese way of putting facts on table .
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Don't let facts get in your way. Su-35 was purchased after J-16 and J-20 AESA radars were in operation. Su-35 has a PESA. Chinese AESA on J-10C and perhaps B variant also predated Su-35 by quite a few years.

This is just fighters! ESAs are everywhere else and China manufactures it all. Maybe when Uttam is finally in service, you can come and let us know how mighty it actually is... you know... when it finally goes into service... after all those years maturing.

berserk said:

Chinese Radars are world class I know brother .One gaze & it's over for enemy aircraft. IAF mirage 2000 learn it a hard way I am sure .... No wonder PAF is betting it's future on them

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Nah bro. Chinese AESA technology will only be world class after catching up to US radars. After that we may set our sights on Indian AESAs. For now, Pakistan has to make do with an affordable AESA unit. It is thoroughly outmatched by Rafale's PESA already. MKI should be able to fry through JF-17's electronics. I mean even PLAAF's best, J-20 has to hide from MKI's eagle sights. Uttam on Tejas, when it gets to service, will be the deadliest and most capable in all of Asia. Maybe closely challenged by F-22 and F-35 positioned in Asia but I would say the following rank of capabilities.

1. Uttam or APG81 or APG77 (from F-35 and F-22 respectively) tied for first place
2. Rafale's RBE PESA
3. MKI's Bars radar
4. Su-35's Irbis PESA
5. Chinese copy of Irbis (which will replace J-20 and J-16's fake radars for show)
6. JF-17's ESA which is really waiting for Chinese to miniaturise Irbis to fit on JF-17. This is why block 3 will get inducted into PAF after 2030.

And then come the older fighters. Of course I didn't include Su-57 because it's more in European region but if here would be in number 2 spot. India rejected FGFA because Uttam is already better.

Just noticed we're getting a bit off topic now. Let's just agree India is obviously more capable militarily and technologically than China. China will need several more years of advancements in fighter design and radar technology to match India today. If we go further off topic with this conversation, Deino will consider it all wasteful posts and delete them or ban us.

Pakistan Moves Mirages to Central Punjab, F-16's to Sind and Jf-17 to the north, PAF's threat perception calculus is shifting based on changes in IAF deployments.