To call out someone a troll just because you can't digest their opinion is immature.
Making an opinion based on prejudice isn't sane. And mixing it humourous exaggeration is what we call trolling.
Either you have edited your post or I was drunk at that time to reply as took the post in that tone. If latter is true, my apologies, if not I maintain what I said.
I tried to reason out why there is a clearly visible difference between the exterior build quality of the frontline destroyers of 3 countries above. Indian shipbuilding industry is very small. They don't feature in any list of prominent shipbuilding nations.
May not be prominent but its still far from being called non existent. India lags behind Western World, Russia & East Asia.
We take around 10 years for making a ship right now which needs 5 years on global average.
And all its limted success is attributed to India being lower middle income country relatively new to defense industry.
Ahead of most countries of its own class but because of size while lags behind other major powers.
Afaik, Indian shipbuilders are mainly undertaking government projects. As for the Indian destroyers, I don't know about the technology housed within such shoddy hulls BUT since India imports a lot of critical technology from other nations, i'd assume them to be a lot better in that area.
There are lot of technologies produced India to be "good enough" and used by armed forces. When Indian armed forces have money for better goodies and homegrown stuff is not upto mark, they go for import. In case they can't buy that out because of global restrictions like in case of strategic weapons, they get it from home.
Gradually, share of imported material on Indian inventory has been falling and defense exports have increased by 6 times in last 3 years.
Industry will mature once it gets used to new projects it receives.
Stealth isn't clear from just design. Tolerances and attention to details regarding acoustics and vibrations play an important deal in stealth of submarines.
That is why DCNS was involved. We will build submarines on our own if none agrees for TOT. TOT is a guarantee of technology and over time, India will become independent. As of now, idea is to buy foreign submarine design with the condition that the design will be completely owned by India and India can manufacture unlimited submarines once the 6 submarine contract of P75I is completed.
There are some design risks as making submarine with AIP, missiles etc will need some design change from scorpene. So, it may cause delays. India currently has enough money to spare and hence prefers to have this risk free path. If none agrees, then India will make its own submarines.
Otherwise, we will keep gaining technology from others till we have enough.
If the exterior of the frontline destroyers are like this then it'd be hard to convince anyone that India, with little experience in submarine shipbuilding ( let along nuclear submarines) would churn out SSBN of atleast mediocre quality.
Mediocre quality isn't what I'm talking about. Submarines need even more special welding techniques. Design still plays a great role in stealth & roles of vibrations & projections appear thereafter. Signature is low, not that quite however.
My third point was that Russian engineers would be facing difficulties in "equipping" new indian hands with necessary skill. It is a fact that nuclear reactors and subsystems used in Indian SSBN are of Russian origin or has been made with assistance from Russia with Russian specialists cooperating with the build. Are you implying that Indian technicians require no support from Russia or any other country to build an SSBN ? India would not be building Scorpenes ( a diesel electric) without the paid assistance of French engineers of DCNS . Enough a point.
Probably its framing on previous post tempted me.
The russian instructors might be having a tough time coaching new hands.
There are actually a couple of countries including PRC whose military industry is based on USSR/Russian stuff.
Hence, "tough time" particularly for one doesn't mean anything.
This thread sure can turn into an echo chamber BUT hey, since you are here after a LONG time, i'd be not wrong in assuming that you'd invest some time to make this thread a bit balanced ?
Updated, I'm not here to balance.
There are rarely any active Indian members on this forum. I may be one. And since this forum doesn't have flame baiting problem what I face elsewhere, I will get a better platform to post too.
