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Indian navy and coast guard order 32 Dhruv helicopters

Hindustan Aeronautics has secured an INR80 billion ($1.2 billion) order for 32 Dhruv helicopters for use by the Indian navy and coast guard.

Each maritime arm will receive 16 examples of the 5.5t Dhruv, says HAL in a statement.

The order announcement follows the package’s approval by India’s Cabinet Committee on Security.

The package includes a performance based logistics (PBL) plan for the helicopters.

“The PBL is the purchase of logistics support as an integrated, affordable, performance package designed to optimize system readiness and meet performance goals for the product through long-term support arrangements with clear lines of authority and responsibility”, says HAL chairman Suvarna Raju.

“The PBL is emerging as a preferred acquisition strategy for defence acquisition and asset management.”

Flight Fleets Analyzer shows that there are 228 Dhruvs and related variants in service, primarily with India’s military. This includes 163 Dhruvs, 48 Dhruv Mk. IIIs, and 17 Rudra Mk. IV attack helicopters.

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When is the Virkant going to sea?

I mean she was finally actually launched (or as they called it, undocked) in 2015.

she should be preparing for builders trials soon.

Anyone know?

I know they plan to try and hand her over to the Navy by 2018...but that should mean that builders trials will start this year. I am wondering when?
Expected 2018
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Seems optimistic for me.
 

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Expected 2018
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Seems optimistic for me.
Well handing over to the Navy is not the same a being operational. It will take them another two years after the handover to go through all the Navy trials and buildup to becoming IOC.

I just am wondering when she will actually do her 1st builders trials like the Ford is doing now.

I guess the next one to do that will be the Royal Navy QE.
 

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When is the Virkant going to sea?

I mean she was finally actually launched (or as they called it, undocked) in 2015.

she should be preparing for builders trials soon.

Anyone know?

I know they plan to try and hand her over to the Navy by 2018...but that should mean that builders trials will start this year. I am wondering when?

A long and exhaustive article basically it said it won't be ready until 2023 if it not delayed again 2018 trial is fantasy
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Shifting timelines of India’s Indigenous Aircraft Carrier
1 August 2016
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India’s new aircraft carrier INS Vikrant is unlikely to be ready before 2023. Russia is doing all it can to keep up with the Indian Navy’s changing designs.

Here is excerpt
Shipyard lacked experience
As per the Indian Navy’s PSRs submitted in August 2004, the maximum speed of the new carrier would be 28 knots while the cruising speed (the speed at which the vessel travels in the most fuel efficient manner along with other fleet ships) would be 18 knots. The ship would have 45-day logistics endurance and a range of 7500 nautical miles at 18 knots. The 37,500 ton ship would be designed to have a complement of 160 officers and 1400 sailors.

However, Cochin Shipyards lacked the experience required to handle a project of such a massive scale. A technical audit of the shipyard carried out by DCN discovered the shipyard had “never built warships and was not used to the complexity of their designs, hull and systems”.

The shipyard’s organisation was mostly vertical without enough functional links between various departments. “It had no real project management central organisation and was working with many separated departments.”

To adapt CSL to produce an aircraft carrier, DCN prescribed basic proposals with respect to augmentation of the shipyard’s infrastructure, organisation and human resources, which included creation of a shipyard project management team and a liaison team.

CAG observes: “Since CSL was constructing an aircraft carrier for the first time, it was incumbent upon them to fully implement the DCN proposals so as to execute the project within approved timelines.”

However, this was not done and the project management team remained a weak one.

Procurement of steel
One of the reasons cited in the media for the delay in the carrier taking to the water was Russia’s inability to supply special steel. The CAG report agrees that “non-availability of steel was one of the major reasons which affected the progress of ship construction”.

But supply of steel from Rosoboronexport did not materialise as CSL could not accept the Corporate Guarantee offered by the Russian company against the requirement of Bank Guarantee stipulated by the Reserve Bank of India. Consequently, in 2004, the Indian Navy decided to use indigenous steel which was the equivalent of Russian steel.

The CAG report notes: “Despite the fact that Steel Authority of India Limited (SAIL) informed (May 2004) the Indian Navy that they could supply only steel plates, the Indian Navy intimated (July 2004) CSL that SAIL had confirmed their ability to supply all steel plates and sections (bulb bars) required. Accordingly, CSL placed (December 2004) a purchase order on SAIL for supply of steel plates and bulb bars.

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The supply of bulb bars from SAIL remained unsatisfactory, and CSL had to go back to the Russian supplier. The ensuing delay “severely affected production”.

More delays
Another contributory factor in the launch delay was the drastic change requested in the heating ventilation and air-conditioning (HVAC) design by the Navyin 2010. On this, the audit report comments that changes to HVAC design impacted the design of 800 out of a total of 2300 ship compartments, which was likely to have a cascading impact on the design completed in the compartments.

Having a plethora of foreign contractors involved in the project may also have contributed to the delays. In 2007 CSL placed a purchase order for gear boxes with Germany’s Renk, for delivery by 2009. However, it was observed during impact testing that some of this imported equipment failed.

Sailing on
The Indian Navy is currently without an aircraft carrier as its flagship INS Vikramaditya is undergoing maintenance. Had the goalposts not shifted, the INS Vikrant would most likely have been flying the navy’s flag. India would have moved on to its next big project – the over 60,000 ton INS Vishal.

Perhaps DND is right – delays are inevitable because this is India’s first aircraft carrier project. But at the same time, the Defence Ministry needs to find out if the delays are because of inexperience, bumbling or if someone is making money from the extended construction. It really shouldn’t take 24 years to construct a medium-sized aircraft carrier. After all, it
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the US only seven years to authorise, construct and deliver a 100,000 ton carrier with nuclear-propulsion.
 

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A long and exhaustive article basically it said it won't be ready until 2023 if it not delayed again 2018 trial is fantasy
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Shifting timelines of India’s Indigenous Aircraft Carrier
1 August 2016
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India’s new aircraft carrier INS Vikrant is unlikely to be ready before 2023. Russia is doing all it can to keep up with the Indian Navy’s changing designs.

Here is excerpt
Shipyard lacked experience
As per the Indian Navy’s PSRs submitted in August 2004, the maximum speed of the new carrier would be 28 knots while the cruising speed (the speed at which the vessel travels in the most fuel efficient manner along with other fleet ships) would be 18 knots. The ship would have 45-day logistics endurance and a range of 7500 nautical miles at 18 knots. The 37,500 ton ship would be designed to have a complement of 160 officers and 1400 sailors.

However, Cochin Shipyards lacked the experience required to handle a project of such a massive scale. A technical audit of the shipyard carried out by DCN discovered the shipyard had “never built warships and was not used to the complexity of their designs, hull and systems”.

The shipyard’s organisation was mostly vertical without enough functional links between various departments. “It had no real project management central organisation and was working with many separated departments.”

To adapt CSL to produce an aircraft carrier, DCN prescribed basic proposals with respect to augmentation of the shipyard’s infrastructure, organisation and human resources, which included creation of a shipyard project management team and a liaison team.

CAG observes: “Since CSL was constructing an aircraft carrier for the first time, it was incumbent upon them to fully implement the DCN proposals so as to execute the project within approved timelines.”

However, this was not done and the project management team remained a weak one.

Procurement of steel
One of the reasons cited in the media for the delay in the carrier taking to the water was Russia’s inability to supply special steel. The CAG report agrees that “non-availability of steel was one of the major reasons which affected the progress of ship construction”.

But supply of steel from Rosoboronexport did not materialise as CSL could not accept the Corporate Guarantee offered by the Russian company against the requirement of Bank Guarantee stipulated by the Reserve Bank of India. Consequently, in 2004, the Indian Navy decided to use indigenous steel which was the equivalent of Russian steel.

The CAG report notes: “Despite the fact that Steel Authority of India Limited (SAIL) informed (May 2004) the Indian Navy that they could supply only steel plates, the Indian Navy intimated (July 2004) CSL that SAIL had confirmed their ability to supply all steel plates and sections (bulb bars) required. Accordingly, CSL placed (December 2004) a purchase order on SAIL for supply of steel plates and bulb bars.

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The supply of bulb bars from SAIL remained unsatisfactory, and CSL had to go back to the Russian supplier. The ensuing delay “severely affected production”.

More delays
Another contributory factor in the launch delay was the drastic change requested in the heating ventilation and air-conditioning (HVAC) design by the Navyin 2010. On this, the audit report comments that changes to HVAC design impacted the design of 800 out of a total of 2300 ship compartments, which was likely to have a cascading impact on the design completed in the compartments.

Having a plethora of foreign contractors involved in the project may also have contributed to the delays. In 2007 CSL placed a purchase order for gear boxes with Germany’s Renk, for delivery by 2009. However, it was observed during impact testing that some of this imported equipment failed.

Sailing on
The Indian Navy is currently without an aircraft carrier as its flagship INS Vikramaditya is undergoing maintenance. Had the goalposts not shifted, the INS Vikrant would most likely have been flying the navy’s flag. India would have moved on to its next big project – the over 60,000 ton INS Vishal.

Perhaps DND is right – delays are inevitable because this is India’s first aircraft carrier project. But at the same time, the Defence Ministry needs to find out if the delays are because of inexperience, bumbling or if someone is making money from the extended construction. It really shouldn’t take 24 years to construct a medium-sized aircraft carrier. After all, it
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the US only seven years to authorise, construct and deliver a 100,000 ton carrier with nuclear-propulsion.
Well, I supose we will have to wait and see.

I know the thing has been delayed over and over...but they finally did launch it into the water and all of the major structural job was done.

Lot of outfitting still to d at that point...but that has been over 18 months now.

Steel is not holding this ship up now. It's logistics.

The Indians have consistently had problems with logistics and good program management practice.

They should be able to take this thing for builders sea trials this year...by late summer at any rate.

One they do that, they will spend another 9-12 months doing builders trials before turning it over to the Navy.

Then the Navy will spend 12-18 months doing trials before she actually starts doing honest to goodness exercises to build up to IOC.

So, if the get an early fall 2017 start on builders trials, then by the end of 2018 they could turn it over to the Navy.

Then, by mid 2020, they start building up to IOC...perhaps by 2021 at the earliest at this point.
 
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