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Why not integrate the RD-33 into the Tejas? Having engine options is normal, even the USA has done so with P&W and GE for the F-16.
Apparently they are no facing with rapidly increasing pricetags for the F404 and the F414. C'mon guys, do as the Americans do, not what they say.
I read they trippled the price of the F414...

Luckily there are 2 other engines they can explore, M88 T-REX and EJ200
 
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Gloire_bb

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Why not integrate the RD-33 into the Tejas? Having engine options is normal, even the USA has done so with P&W and GE for the F-16.
Apparently they are no facing with rapidly increasing pricetags for the F404 and the F414. C'mon guys, do as the Americans do, not what they say.
Same issues as M53, though admittedly less. R-93 is significantly larger(length and diameter) and requires more airflow.
Tejas is a very small plane, you can't easily change this much.

There's of course a way, they can order JF-17...
 

mack8

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Why not integrate the RD-33 into the Tejas? Having engine options is normal, even the USA has done so with P&W and GE for the F-16.
Apparently they are no facing with rapidly increasing pricetags for the F404 and the F414. C'mon guys, do as the Americans do, not what they say.
Should have done so from the start of the program in the 1990s. At least the engine wouldn't have been an additional headache.
 

siegecrossbow

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Except Pakistan welcomed outside countries to count all their fighters - F-16, JF-17, J-10 and India refused.

India's own Minister Subramanian Swamy is on record admitting Rafale(s) were shot down during May 2025.

Videos and photos of BS001, M88 engine, Rafale parts and missiles in wrecks all on record. This was before generative AI was a thing. All those visual evidence anyway can't be generated to that degree by AI even today. Every blade of grass and dirt particle is visible to a degree beyond AI's capability today. Not to mention all the spectators speaking in Hindi and France admitting at least one Rafale shot down.

All that but Indian bhakts deny. Who cares though. Reality is you guys have 3 to 4 fewer Rafales. Someone has to pay that tax.

If Indians are happy their $100M+ fighters are being shot down so easily while they pretend nothings wrong. Who cares?
If you look at Indian forums/subreddits then you’ll realize that they care more about Western MSM buying Pakistan’s version of events than IAF actually losing aerial assets.
 

Gloire_bb

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If you look at Indian forums/subreddits then you’ll realize that they care more about Western MSM buying Pakistan’s version of events than IAF actually losing aerial assets.
Because it's, without any sarcasm, the most important thing for internet warriors.
Are they threatened by Pakistan? No, not really. Are 2-3 Rafales making them materially poorer? Not really either.

What people get from perception of their militaries? I'm sorry, but it's really bragging rights. But humans are social animals. Bragging rights affect people's self esteem way more than we dare to admit.
 

siegecrossbow

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Because it's, without any sarcasm, the most important thing for people in most conflicts.

What people get from perception of their militaries? I'm sorry, but it's really bragging rights.
I think it’s stupid since your opinion on how good/bad the military is has no bearing on actual performance. Then again, we see the same with sports teams…
 

neutralobserver

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Because it's, without any sarcasm, the most important thing for internet warriors.
Are they threatened by Pakistan? No, not really. Are 2-3 Rafales making them materially poorer? Not really either.

What people get from perception of their militaries? I'm sorry, but it's really bragging rights. But humans are social animals. Bragging rights affect people's self esteem way more than we dare to admit.
I think most Indian people (largely due to BJP Jai Hind stuff over the last decade) had the impression that a Pakistan India conflict would be one-sided in India's favor (At least in their minds, the comparison was India = Israel and Pakistan = Palestine.). That's why it's hard for them to come to terms with the fact that it is not the case plus IZZAT is another issue altogether. They would like to treat Pakistan the way Gaza has been treated and they struggle to accept that they are unable to do so. They want to be like fatherland (Israel). Plus they tend to hype weapons so much that actual performance does not live up to the reality. IAF Chief is on record stating that SU30 can detect J20 and Rafale is enough to handle J20/J35 or other 5th gen fighters due to spectra lol.

 
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Lethe

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I think india really needs to start making their own jet engines, no matter how simple or outdated. Imagine the Tejas with a snecma m53 copy (mirage 2000 engine) or 2 Honeywell F125-GA-100 engines (F-CK-1 engines). It will still be able to perform its core functions. They are just being taken along for a ride. The moment they show they can make a jet engine, any jet engine, their negotiation position improves drastically.

That's the problem with Tejas; it won't work.
M53 is substantially larger&won't fit, and it is also much less efficient(SFC) - and for tejas, range is specifically a problem(mk.1)/key requirement(mk.2). It is designed to work specifically off small, powerful yet efficient engine. Which is why the can't jump off this horse, unless they pay someone for developing their specific version(which they did - to GE).

Basically, to make M53 work, they should ve bought M2000 line back then. Which they of course should've and know that. But now, there's no going back.

Yea, it's path-dependency. It's hard to watch. Basically every step they take is wrong.

If we return to this image, we can see how early F404 was embedded in the LCA project. It is a commonplace assertion that you design the aircraft around the powerplant. This they did, and in doing set a benchmark for Kaveri that was far higher than could be met. Divorcing Kaveri from LCA marks the end of significant development work on the engine. Who is funding an engine with no application? EJ200 was assessed as suitable for LCA Mk. 2. But that was fifteen years and innumerable design revisions ago. Progress is so glacial that it makes the prospect of engine substitution, requiring a great deal of work but otherwise basically plausible, about as attractive as the Bubonic Plague.

A lot of things start to make sense when one considers ADA, HAL and IAF not so much as collaborative partners engaged in a joint enterprise to delivery a necessary capability for the nation, but as warring tribes united by little more than the contempt they have for one another. ADA and HAL have their toxic co-dependent relationship, and IAF is happy to humour them both so long as it does not interfere with the actually essential task of importing foreign combat aircraft. It is like the old Soviet joke: "We pretend to work and the bosses pretend to pay us." Or in this case, ADA pretends to design the aircraft, HAL pretends to manufacture it and the IAF pretends to be interested in inducting it.
 

siegecrossbow

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I mean, you still have people doing B-21 and Three Gorge Dams jokes despite the abismal performance of the US against Iran and Yemen.
I suspect that these people, like a lot of hardcore racists, literally have nothing else going for them IRL. This is why they need to bandwagon with something as pathetic as the Mango Regime to get a tiny morsel of win.
 
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