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tankphobia

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Looking at it optimistically, Dubai could become a turning point rather than a tombstone – if HAL responds with transparency, speed, professionalism and openness, and treats this accident as an opportunity to demonstrate credibility under pressure.

But who is the actual audience for the tejas? Simply because of the hodgepodge of foreign components within the fighter it will not be price competitive with other nations analogous. It has no proven track record even before this crash and any one that even glances at the developmental history will raise an eyebrow at how troubled it has been.
 

4Tran

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But who is the actual audience for the tejas? Simply because of the hodgepodge of foreign components within the fighter it will not be price competitive with other nations analogous. It has no proven track record even before this crash and any one that even glances at the developmental history will raise an eyebrow at how troubled it has been.
The Tejas is squeezed on the one side by the JF-17, and on the other side by the FA-50. There really isn't any reason for anyone to care for the plane other than India, and I imagine that even the IAF doesn't have much use for it. Sure, it's supposed to be a MiG-21 replacement, but I don't think it's good at that job, and who the heck would want to have a MiG-21 replacement nowadays?
 

Gloire_bb

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The Tejas is squeezed on the one side by the JF-17, and on the other side by the FA-50. There really isn't any reason for anyone to care for the plane other than India, and I imagine that even the IAF doesn't have much use for it. Sure, it's supposed to be a MiG-21 replacement, but I don't think it's good at that job, and who the heck would want to have a MiG-21 replacement nowadays?
To be fair, probably would've made sense for Armenia, if it ever planned not just to procure things out of spite to Russia, but to fight - especially if with desperate indian discount. Probably the only viable scenario to sell it.
 

Atomicfrog

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But who is the actual audience for the tejas? Simply because of the hodgepodge of foreign components within the fighter it will not be price competitive with other nations analogous. It has no proven track record even before this crash and any one that even glances at the developmental history will raise an eyebrow at how troubled it has been.
The use of Tejas was foremost a stepping stone for India military aviation industry but also replacing some derelict aircrafts at the same time.

It was a huge mountain to climb and they didnt reach the summit yet.
 
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_killuminati_

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To be fair, probably would've made sense for Armenia, if it ever planned not just to procure things out of spite to Russia, but to fight - especially if with desperate indian discount. Probably the only viable scenario to sell it.
Then Israel may have objected the supply of it's radar to Armenia on behalf of Azerbaijan with whom they have close ties.

That's one of the biggest problems with Tejas - subsystems from so many different suppliers.

Add to the woes: HAL snubs Uttam; will stick to the EL/M-2052
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Mekconyov

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Then Israel may have objected the supply of it's radar to Armenia on behalf of Azerbaijan with whom they have close ties.

That's one of the biggest problems with Tejas - subsystems from so many different suppliers.

Add to the woes: HAL snubs Uttam; will stick to the EL/M-2052
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Hal Teja is in need of better fuel pumps. It is not bad for IAF. Export prospects were never there when observing USA exports. Even EU is a distant player in that. Loss of WC N Sayal is a tragedy. Otherwise it is not a big disaster for Teja. Hal has to tweak the design and manufacturing. It is better for training and patrolling still in modern technology environment. It is not more than that. But wish is for top notch western systems. Contradiction R there in wish purpose and reality. Civilian bureaucracy is incompetent and hindering the Teja.
 

Lethe

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Realistically, the crash in Dubai has few implications for Tejas export prospects because those were very marginal in the first place. For exports of complex platforms such as combat aircraft to occur, customers must be confident in the entire logistics and support chain: initial and ongoing training and technical assistance, real-world operating costs and mission availability, availability of spare parts, credible ongoing development and integration pathways. Most of these factors can only be established as a consequence or corollary of getting the platform up to speed in domestic service. Even in the very best-case scenario, that is some years away for Tejas. If the platform does eventually reach a level of maturity such that it becomes a realistic (if not particularly compelling) prospect for exports, that an airframe was tragically lost in Dubai in 2025 will not figure strongly in the customer's assessments, though how the investigation into that event is managed can certainly work to enhance or reduce confidence in the relevant parties.

To be fair, probably would've made sense for Armenia, if it ever planned not just to procure things out of spite to Russia, but to fight - especially if with desperate indian discount. Probably the only viable scenario to sell it.

One difficulty is that India/HAL can't discount what it doesn't own, most significantly the GE F404-IN20 engine. Indeed, as an uprated variant requiring customised, low-volume parts, Tejas' engine is likely more expensive than the F404s fitted to F/A-50 or T-7, let alone RD-93 on JF-17.
 
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Temstar

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High quality video of the aerobatics performance leading up to the crash.

Is it just me or does the aircraft require a lot of minor adjustments after big routines? In particular there seems to be a tendency for it to pitch up in level flight that requires stick input to counteract it. It has this wobbly-ness that you see on flight simulators when the stick has a badly adjusted dead zone and too sensitive of an input.
 
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