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Not really. Rafale sucks.
But you can bet the Indians will get the Su-57E.
It is still kind of early to export the J-35AE. It barely entered service in the PLA. Who knows what issues the initial variant will have. Maybe in a couple of years.
You can bet those 100 Rafales will take like a decade to be delivered if they ever come at all. China can produce new J-10CE for Pakistan or maybe refurbish Chinese ones if they become necessary in a hurry.
Later this decade then Pakistan can get the J-35AE.
But you can bet the Indians will get the Su-57E.
It is still kind of early to export the J-35AE. It barely entered service in the PLA. Who knows what issues the initial variant will have. Maybe in a couple of years.
You can bet those 100 Rafales will take like a decade to be delivered if they ever come at all. China can produce new J-10CE for Pakistan or maybe refurbish Chinese ones if they become necessary in a hurry.
Later this decade then Pakistan can get the J-35AE.
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Can the Rafale F4 Take on China's J-35A? A Head-to-Head Analysis of Modern Air Superiority Contenders - Indian Defence Research Wing
A mix of acceptance and cope. Concedes BVR advantage to J-35A, but tauts Rafale's superiority in WVR due to "supermaneuverability" and "proven combat experience." I guess Rafale's proven capability in kinetic interception of PL-15s will enable IAF to exhaust the J-35A's missile magazine and allow the surviving Rafale to close in for WVR?
A mix of acceptance and cope. Concedes BVR advantage to J-35A, but tauts Rafale's superiority in WVR due to "supermaneuverability" and "proven combat experience." I guess Rafale's proven capability in kinetic interception of PL-15s will enable IAF to exhaust the J-35A's missile magazine and allow the surviving Rafale to close in for WVR?
I think the Rafale is a pretty good fighter jet, and it's a good match for India's needs. The main problem with it is that it's way too expensive for what capabilities it offers. It's also overhyped, but that's not really a problem with the plane itself.
I'm not seeing a whole lot of acceptance here. The article even notes that the J-35A doesn't have a gun so why would it stick around after it has fired off its PL-15s? Are we to assume that a J-35A would have an air superiority load out of 2x PL-15 and 2x PL-10? Whether the Rafale is better at WVR combat is irrelevant because the fight will never get that close unless the Rafales somehow manage to pull off an ambush. Also the whole "we will survive the PL-15s because SPECTRA will protect us" thing just stinks. Here's another hint: if you ever see the words "Proven in Operation Sindoor" in an article, you know that it's going to be BS.
The Indians used the Rafale in Operation Sindoor more like a ground attack aircraft. For that I suppose it is ok. But obscenely expensive.
You can buy like 3x Su-35 for the price of one Rafale. Just pathetic really. The Rafale is a medium sized aircraft the size of a MiG-29.
You can buy like 3x Su-35 for the price of one Rafale. Just pathetic really. The Rafale is a medium sized aircraft the size of a MiG-29.
Probably not since they’ll have to deal with PL-16/17 going forward.