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Gloire_bb

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A CVN in 15 years? Doesn't sound too realistic to me. Design on Vikrant started in 1999, and it was accepted into service in 2022. CVNs are harder to design and build than whatever Vikrant is, not to mention the Indians will have to build a larger shipbuilding facility.
But Vikrant was first, and entire industrial capacity was built together with it.
Same is true for nuclear propulsion.
 

tamsen_ikard

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But Vikrant was first, and entire industrial capacity was built together with it.
Same is true for nuclear propulsion.
They haven't even built a catapult carrier yet, let alone nuclear. Its like all indian projects. Too much hype generation, then constant delay and finally a subpar product that never meets expectations.

So called Indian destroyers have Chinese frigate level air defense capability. Their so called frigates are probably at the level of pla corvette. That's the reality.
 

Gloire_bb

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They haven't even built a catapult carrier yet, let alone nuclear. Its like all indian projects. Too much hype generation, then constant delay and finally a subpar product that never meets expectations.

So called Indian destroyers have Chinese frigate level air defense capability. Their so called frigates are probably at the level of pla corvette. That's the reality.
Catapult can and likely will be procured from abroad.

Frigate and destroyer level capability isn't a technological barrier, bigger missiles and arrays aren't some magic tech - especially in Indian case, where those are procured from abroad.
It's a matter of being able to afford connectivity. Before 2020s, India couldn't; it's but another case of realistic assessment of own capabilities. In 20300s, b/c of changes in space sector(affordable connectivity) and indian economy, it's going to change.

Also, average modern indian frigate/destroyer AA(barak-8 with elta aesa setup, or shtil+barak-1), while shorter ranged than small minority of HHQ-16F-equipled 054A(last batch), is higher than most Chinese frigates with the exception of 054B; at worst, similar(11356).
Chinese "corvettes"(light frigates) carry only HHQ-10, i.e. a self defense suit.
 
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valysre

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Catapult can and likely will be procured from abroad.
I had forgotten about this. With external procurement, primary bottleneck will be a big enough basin to actually build something. Maybe 15 years is actually doable, although I still think that's on the optimistic side.
 

Gloire_bb

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I had forgotten about this. With external procurement, primary bottleneck will be a big enough basin to actually build something. Maybe 15 years is actually doable, although I still think that's on the optimistic side.
Likely will be delayed, probably by a lot. But I don't consider indian navy procurement nowhere near the same joke their air force or army are.
 

Lnk111229

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Catapult can and likely will be procured from abroad.

Frigate and destroyer level capability isn't a technological barrier, bigger missiles and arrays aren't some magic tech - especially in Indian case, where those are procured from abroad.
It's a matter of being able to afford connectivity. Before 2020s, India couldn't; it's but another case of realistic assessment of own capabilities. In 20300s, b/c of changes in space sector(affordable connectivity) and indian economy, it's going to change.

Also, average modern indian frigate/destroyer AA(barak-8 with elta aesa setup, or shtil+barak-1), while shorter ranged than small minority of HHQ-16F-equipled 054A(last batch), is higher than most Chinese frigates with the exception of 054B; at worst, similar(11356).
Chinese "corvettes"(light frigates) carry only HHQ-10, i.e. a self defense suit.
In 20300 then if country like India still around then they need more than aircraft carrier. I mean something like ion engine star destroyers is minimum don't you think/s. Lol
 

Ringsword

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I agree with this. Indian naval procurement is much more streamlined than the air force or army, but the 15-year timeline is still subject to the standard 'Jai Hind' disclaimers.
That's Martian solar years 1.88 X earth solar years =15 x 1 .88=28.2 earth years give or take 5 years ...but that is being optimistic most likely Jupiter years which is 11.8 times earth's years.india building a nuclear carrier doesn't bother me but every time they launch a ship-up to 50%-indigenous these jai hinds have to mention China(China afraid now?.PLAN is terrified bs)why?
 

GiantPanda

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Jai Hind! Absolute Jai!

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Anyone taking bets on this? Their 45K tons STOBAR took about 22 years from design to commission.

This nuclear/CATOBAR has no plans for ship (otherwise they wouldn't be using the Fujian), catapult or powerplant.

Fifteen years would be a miracle for them -- if it actually gets off the ground. India is famous for big talk and no delivery.

They basically have one 15k ton second-hand LPD for an amphib assault vessel and that's it despite a decade and a half of talking about 40K tons "MRSV" (Multi Role Support Vessels.)

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