Apparently, if you angle the Rafale just right, it can just barely fit the elevator. The thing to watch out for is that if the positioning isn't exactly right, some hopefully non-vital part of the plane is going to get ripped off. I've read before that Indian carriers don't have blast barriers or tow tractors so getting things just right might be a challenge for the Indian Navy.I am sorry what??? they dont fit??? How they gonna bring them up fast...
No way they are buying Raf-M's without having some plan for this...? are they?
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If they wanna nuclear carrier too when China gets her type 004, they will ask French for the Charles De Gaulle. Then problem solvedWhen making Kitbash gunpla/plamo kits that can work out but fighter jetsheh.
Maybe they are buying early for whatever their next carrier will be ? or upgrade current one with bigger/space elevator..
So if the are bringing it up the elevator and has position it just right, and coincidentally some tea turbulence happen its gonna 'chip' the planes off
.'No tow tractors'
Maybe in the future we gonna read how indian lost 3 Raf-Ms to the sea like those F18's
Loool.If they wanna nuclear carrier too when China gets her type 004, they will ask French for the Charles De Gaulle. Then problem solved
Isnt France is very protective of its nuclear stuff, prob more more so for their carriers. Thats gonna be a very heftyyyyyy price tag if it ever happens.
I don't think that the Indian Navy will be incompetent enough to forget to secure planes on their elevators. The problem is going to be when the positioning is a bit off and a plane loses a radome or a wing. So the flight crew is going to have to take a lot of time to make sure this doesn't happen (it probably will still happen), and that's going to kill sortie rates. And these sortie rates are going to be already awful on Vikrant as is, so this ship is really more for show than it is a real weapon of war.So if the are bringing it up the elevator and has position it just right, and coincidentally some tea turbulence happen its gonna 'chip' the planes off
'No tow tractors'
Maybe in the future we gonna read how indian lost 3 Raf-Ms to the sea like those F18's
Loool.
Isnt France is very protective of its nuclear stuff, prob more more so for their carriers. Thats gonna be a very heftyyyyyy price tag if it ever happens.
Buying Charles de Gaulle isn't going to be much of a solution either because there's no chance the French will sell until its replacement is operational. This ship hasn't started construction yet, and it isn't planned to go to sea trials until the mid-2030s. So at earliest, there's no chance of it happening until some time in the 2040s!
Yes ofcourse i was just having a bit of jest.
Because of the carrier..? The planes? crew training?
So at earliest, there's no chance of it happening until some time in the 2040s!
Yeah the replacement is years years away, by 2040's india would prob complete their next carrier? The third one they were hoping to make based of the Brit QE's
It's the carrier itself. No blast barrier means that the deck has to be clear behind the fighter to launch, no tow tractor means that planes have to be dragged into position by hand, and if they have to clear the deck for landings all of this will result in abysmal sortie rates.
I see, I personally dont know how complex or not it is but couldnt indian engineers/etc make blast barrier adjustments themselves? install it/customize the deck?
These are blast barriers correct?
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Yes, those are blast barriers. The problem is that Vikrant should have been designed properly to begin with. Instead, the Indian Navy thought that they could get away with cutting corners, and that just doesn't work when it comes to carrier operations. The Americans have the most experience in the world with carriers, but they tried to get fancy with Ford, and even they end up paying the price for it. The Indians did a worse job with Vikrant so their problems are going to be much worse. I would say that, until it gets a major overhaul, Vikrant should be regarded more as a fancy showpiece than as a practical war machine.
Honestly I would have assumed something like that (blast barriers) would be 'standard' to most carriers made in modern times, its not like it would have saved them alot of money NOT implementing it, and Vikrant was their own domestic production not the soviet Kiev class one.
Yikes
Unbelievable but true. No blast deflectors.
Even more hilarious is what they'll have to do with the Rafale-M on the elevators:
So no JBDs and some painstaking hack on the elevators just to avoid chopping off the tips of the wings, imagine the sortie rate! LOL