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Deino

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The author is cunning at that a good one.


You mean the Indian author? ... no, he surely has no clue at all!

If you read it properly, the most interesting thing is that a few important facts are distorted or ignored in order to ultimately make look as if the Indian way will more likely lead to independence in the long run!

What is completely forgotten is that the Chinese approach was the same at the beginning ... initial purchase, a technology transfer (albeit for the older Su-27SK) and the permission to then increase the proportion of its own components.
The fact that China was already able to develop some sort of Super-Su-30MKK aka the J-16, something that India has not even reached after decades of their own "technology transfer" is omitted in the same way like it is left out that the J-11B was already an improved variant.

As such to mention India's goal to develop a 5th generation and to look "which approach proves more successful in the long run" to be independent is almost funny since China already has reached this goal by developing the J-20 & J-35.

In fact this race is already over!

Otherwise you need to explain why „The author is cunning at that a good one.“? … I find him at best a funny one!
 
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Mt1701d

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Is it just me? The first post vid was stretched out and I was weirded out thinking what a fat tank.

Record time is definitely true considering the other indigenous projects India had prior. And for this, the Indians should be applauded. Now let’s see what will happen with procurement and hope that it won’t be a redesign and then redesign some more scenario.
 

Probability

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It's probably not worth discussing such copium, but surely the author realises that the Indian approach of "progressive domestic manufacturing" of the Su-30MKI, and nothing but the Su-30MKI, seems not to have achieved the stated goal to "gain the knowledge and expertise to potentially design and develop future generations of fighter jets."
HAL Tejas isn't even a future generation of design, and still has not (to my knowledge) broken the three-digit airframe production number. On the other hand, China has definitely broken three-digit airframe production on J-10.
On the topic of future generations, J-20 has also broken three-digit airframe production number, and the HAL AMCA is still a pipedream (although it did receive some sort of funding approval recently).
Was the problem about funds or IAF kind of love foreign stuffs more.
 

Probability

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You mean the Indian author? ... no, he surely has no clue at all!

If you read it properly, the most interesting thing is that a few important facts are distorted or ignored in order to ultimately make look as if the Indian way will more likely lead to independence in the long run!

What is completely forgotten is that the Chinese approach was the same at the beginning ... initial purchase, a technology transfer (albeit for the older Su-27SK) and the permission to then increase the proportion of its own components.
The fact that China was already able to develop some sort of Super-Su-30MKK aka the J-16, something that India has not even reached after decades of their own "technology transfer" is omitted in the same way like it is left out that the J-11B was already an improved variant.

As such to mention India's goal to develop a 5th generation and to look "which approach proves more successful in the long run" to be independent is almost funny since China already has reached this goal by developing the J-20 & J-35.

In fact this race is already over!
Ya right on the bold.

Independent long goal can only be more visible for India at least when the top brass stop to obsessed with foreign product.
 

Probability

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Is it just me? The first post vid was stretched out and I was weirded out thinking what a fat tank.


Record time is definitely true considering the other indigenous projects India had prior. And for this, the Indians should be applauded. Now let’s see what will happen with procurement and hope that it won’t be a redesign and then redesign some more scenario.


Like a scenario where Rajnath after watching Abram tank performance, just wake up and say they need so so so specification.
 

Mt1701d

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Like a scenario where Rajnath after watching Abram tank performance, just wake up and say they need so so so specification.
Something to that effect, the Indian military have a really bad habit of always asking for news things and changing specifications mid project.

I always like to view it as the Indians trying to apply software programming logic to hardware development and manufacturing as if any spec change would just mean a few more strokes on the drawing board.

The Tejas and Arjun were great examples of this. The designs had to be changed multiple times to fit the military’s increasingly complex requirements, all the while nothing is actually manufactured, and even when something is approved the procurement numbers are pitiful making the project seem like a complete failure. Most importantly, without realising that the failure was of their own making.
 

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Something to that effect, the Indian military have a really bad habit of always asking for news things and changing specifications mid project.

I always like to view it as the Indians trying to apply software programming logic to hardware development and manufacturing as if any spec change would just mean a few more strokes on the drawing board.

The Tejas and Arjun were great examples of this. The designs had to be changed multiple times to fit the military’s increasingly complex requirements, all the while nothing is actually manufactured, and even when something is approved the procurement numbers are pitiful making the project seem like a complete failure. Most importantly, without realising that the failure was of their own making.
If not for repeated changes, I believe the Arjun mka1 would have improved by now. So much sabotage by the Ind. Army same with Tegas.


But latest Prachard came through...
 
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