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Pataliputra

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The combat range of the Tejas MK1A has been significantly increased to approximately 740 kilometers, compared to the F16's range of only 550 kilometers. Furthermore, its payload carrying capacity has been enhanced by 500 kilograms. Although the target was to reduce weight by 1000 kilograms, information on this aspect is currently unavailable. More details are anticipated to be disclosed in the future. Overall, the Tejas MK1A seems to outperform the Tejas MK1 not only in avionics but also in fundamental parameters such as range and payload.
 

Gloire_bb

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Talking big is very easy, especially when the Indian Navy doesn't even have enough AEGIS-equivalent DDGs and FFGs to support the formation of that many CSG/CBGs, let alone the intricate systems required to support the operations of such scale.
(1)They actually plan to go for "true" DDGs(current ones are essentially frigates in all but name). It'll probably take them as long as usual, but still - expecting them in the future is reasonable, after some time of course.
(2)They certainly do have enough modern FFGs to support the formation of more CGs - many more. Indian Navy isn't exactly small. What they lack is SSNs, not escorts.
(3) A frigate-centric fleet is a viable alternative to DDG, and looking aegis-like isn't exactly the requirement here...

Personal preferences and irony are ok, but bashing the whole Navy for an interview by an optimistic retiree is IMHO a bit too much.
 

Pataliputra

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The need for six aircraft carriers would imply a requirement for approximately 350-400 Twin Engine Deck Based Fighters (TEDBF) or naval versions of the AMCA in the future. This underscores the feasibility and necessity of developing a dedicated fighter jet for the navy. Initially, the question arose as to why India is investing in the development of naval fighter jets when the projected requirement was only for 100 fighter jets. However, given the expanded scale of the naval fleet and the associated demand for aircraft, the development of specialized naval fighter jets is both justified and strategically important.
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Gloire_bb

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Doesn't the Eastern fleet lack area air defence relying mostly on Shtil-1's?
Them...they're sorta 054A level in capability, so the ships to watch are Barak-8 ones (6 escorts+2 carriers in service, 8 to come).
Shtils can somewhat protect themselves...and that's it about them.
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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(1)They actually plan to go for "true" DDGs(current ones are essentially frigates in all but name). It'll probably take them as long as usual, but still - expecting them in the future is reasonable, after some time of course.
(2)They certainly do have enough modern FFGs to support the formation of more CGs - many more. Indian Navy isn't exactly small. What they lack is SSNs, not escorts.
(3) A frigate-centric fleet is a viable alternative to DDG, and looking aegis-like isn't exactly the requirement here...

Personal preferences and irony are ok, but bashing the whole Navy for an interview by an optimistic retiree is IMHO a bit too much.

Of course. Or you could say that I'm setting the standards that can be (a bit) too high for the IN (although certainly reachable for the PLAN).

Because while the IN is only opposing the smaller (and compared to the IN, weaker) PN, the PLAN has to go up against the gargantuan combination of the USN and their lackeys (i.e. JMSDF, ROKN, RN and RAN) pretty much on their own. So I suppose that it's understandable.

However, speaking of bashing the whole IN - I'm sorry, but having understood how the PLAN has managed to grow from a green-water navy with only a couple of truly capable boats to a true blue-water navy that can actually directly compete with the USN by only using a few decades when all others have used almost a century or more - I just can't take any talks and claims by anyone (or even a whole community, including active/retired military personnel) that goes with the "We're gonna build X number of DDGs, Y number of CV(N)s and Z number of SSNs, and we're gonna beat the PLAN and be the 2nd most powerful navy in the world just behind the USN! Jai Hind!" chant/mantra/boast seriously.
 

Gloire_bb

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Of course. Or you could say that I'm setting the standards that can be (a bit) too high for the IN (although certainly reachable for the PLAN).

Because while the IN is only opposing the smaller (and compared to the IN, weaker) PN, the PLAN has to go up against the gargantuan combination of the USN and their lackeys (i.e. JMSDF, ROKN, RN and RAN) pretty much on their own. So I suppose that it's understandable.

However, speaking of bashing the whole IN - I'm sorry, but having understood how the PLAN has managed to grow from a green-water navy with only a couple of truly capable boats to a true blue-water navy that can actually directly compete with the USN by only using a few decades when all others have used almost a century or more - I just can't take any talks and claims by anyone (or even a whole community, including active/retired military personnel) that goes with the "We're gonna build X number of DDGs, Y number of CV(N)s and Z number of SSNs, and we're gonna beat the PLAN and be the 2nd most powerful navy in the world just behind the USN! Jai Hind!" chant/mantra/boast seriously.
Well, Indian PR looks like Indian PR - it's something to live with. India is a country that appeals to nationalism/patriotism, this is just how it looks like. It's white noise, there is little sense in commenting seriously on that.

But let's admit to them who they are - 2 carriers and 6 first-line escorts right now (+2 dozens of accountable 2nd line ships), all armed with capable Brahmos, and covered by IAF (with significant maritime strike) - it's a big force west of Malacca.

And since the actual IN (beyond Twitter) doesn't really aim at going east of Malacca, it's the biggest local force in its region. All of European navies combined failed to deploy IN equivalent to the Red Sea. I.e., apart from the USN presence in the gulf area, IN clearly dominates the Indian Ocean.
 

Derpy

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JAI HIND! JAI ABSO-FVCKING-LUTELY HIND!

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From actual (retired) senior military officials, no less.

Talking big is very easy, especially when the Indian Navy doesn't even have enough AEGIS-equivalent DDGs and FFGs to support the formation of that many CSG/CBGs, let alone the intricate systems required to support the operations of such scale.
Standard Indian defense repertoire, "Soon", "In The future", "to be upgraded to", "will have", "to be equipped with" etc etc
Everything is forever in the future where any dreamt up spec is possible, the contrast when compared to currently operational systems becomes ridiculous.
 
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