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MortyandRick

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The annual minimum that I know is around 10K USD and plenty of my friends are earning around 100k USD after 4-5 yoe.
Nice to have good objective insight. Is that 100k while living in India? Or in the US? That must be pretty insane quality of life then if they are in India, comparing to the average population. Genuinely curious, wouldn't that mean Bangalore would have inane cost of living and inflation if all those people were making 6 figures usd?
So until recently government allowed the benefits of indexation in debt instruments such as debt mutual funds, govt bonds etc and as a result I only had to pay tax on around 1-2% of gains( adjusted to inflation) and it was a really good deal since I could comfortably get a risk free return of around 7-8% after tax. Now the government has scrapped it,
Wow that's a great deal. How many years did that go on for?
There is a reason the IT capital of the country Banglore still has power cuts, potholes in its roads and a joke for metro. It wasn't lack of funds the corrupt politicians.
If people in the IT industry are making 100k why not increase their tax bracket? That would bring in funds.
they are in superpower in making and don't need much advice
This is the real problem. Will be their downfall if they don't change this.
 

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Nice to have good objective insight. Is that 100k while living in India? Or in the US? That must be pretty insane quality of life then if they are in India, comparing to the average population. Genuinely curious, wouldn't that mean Bangalore would have inane cost of living and inflation if all those people were making 6 figures usd?
While living in India. Regarding the cost of living, it has increased considerably. It's not uncommon to see houses going for 400k USD and in prime locations more than a million dollars. The thing is things are also cheap if you know where to look at because not everyone is earning in that. Still majority of city would not be in IT like the drivers, maids, and others. The salary for such people should be around 2000 USD annually.
Wow that's a great deal. How many years did that go on for?
I personally was using that for half a decade. But I think the laws for indexed taxation was from the beginning when these instruments were introduced in the market.
If people in the IT industry are making 100k why not increase their tax bracket? That would bring in funds.
It's already at more than 40% if you're earning more than 50,000 USD ig( it's around that, don't know if it is exactly). The problem isnt tax it's corruption. Places like Delhi have a really good public transportation system. The metro reaches almost everywhere. Places like Noida Gurgaon are also doing good in infra. Hyderabad for one has really good and wide roads, I mean majority of my friends who plan on going back would be buying some villa in Hyderabad as things are still sane there. But banglore was given a silver spoon( IT Companies started to sprung up there because the weather was really cool so you didn't have to spend much in cooling costs of computers servers etc. It wasn't some state of the art policies and incentives the locals provided just good geography. And then you know the cycle in tech, people moved there bcz that's where the companies are and companies moved there bcz that's where the people are.) . And yet they wasted it on corruption, people appeasement, welfare policies.

And there's another, municipalities don't have much financial independence, their budget is mostly approved from state government and they can't run deficits so even the municipalities which wants to do good cant do much because of lack of funds( as funds collected from them have to be passed on to state and state decided to use that money to subsidise rural places as that's where majority of votes lie and cities needs are ignored).
This is the real problem. Will be their downfall if they don't change this.
Oh boy you don't know the extent of propaganda, pseudoscience etc that has made its way in every part of India. See what the problem is.. india didn't have much access to internet pre 2015 ig but with the introduction of jio things changed, most of the country got connected to internet. Now it was a huge opportunity for political parties. And BJP used it to full extent. It bought all the media houses(all of them) and now they mostly just parrot the supreme leader. I mean he is the only PM which hasn't taken a press conference yet( there was one but it was scripted no uncomfortable questions). So what you have is you open the news, all of them are BJP spokesperson, you open the YouTube channels and lot of them are sponsored or supported by BJP and they produce a ton of India superpower or china shit videos to make themselves feel better. Every baby step in right direction is shown as revolutionary, every bad thing is pushed under the rug so yeah the Atmosphere of politics have changed a lot in the country..

It's good enough that we left last year fed up with all these things. And there's no sour grapes. I was making 50K USD ( CTC was 45 lakh pa inr)at a fintech company in banglore and around 100k in online business. Moved to Dubai as I think next few years or decade might be a disaster in making. I'm still in my mid 20s to I can move back a decade later or just go back to Malaysia but family is in India and they don't want to move anywhere so. Duabi is just 4 hrs from Hyderabad by flight so it's close enough to get to them in case of emergency but yeah apart from family I don't really want to go back
 

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Oh boy you don't know the extent of propaganda, pseudoscience etc that has made its way in every part of India. See what the problem is.. india didn't have much access to internet pre 2015 ig but with the introduction of jio things changed, most of the country got connected to internet. Now it was a huge opportunity for political parties. And BJP used it to full extent. It bought all the media houses(all of them) and now they mostly just parrot the supreme leader. I mean he is the only PM which hasn't taken a press conference yet( there was one but it was scripted no uncomfortable questions). So what you have is you open the news, all of them are BJP spokesperson, you open the YouTube channels and lot of them are sponsored or supported by BJP and they produce a ton of India superpower or china shit videos to make themselves feel better. Every baby step in right direction is shown as revolutionary, every bad thing is pushed under the rug so yeah the Atmosphere of politics have changed a lot in the country..
That honestly sounds like a recipe for disaster. Since BJP is filled with incompetent corrupt politicians, then their failures will keep building up and they'll need to distract the population from them - anti-China stuff is becoming old fast because BJP don't have the guts to start a war with China and brewing more hate towards China will eventually lead to population demanding exactly that, so they are going to turn primarily inwards for propaganda aside from getting a few cheap shots on the international scheme (like Indian FM talking tough and "lecturing" the West on public then quietly succumbing to their demands). We already see anti-Muslim hate crimes and riots, this will probably intensify in the next few years as the "superpower" dreams keep getting further & further into the future and people increasingly become angrier due to diminishing prospects.

Honestly, democracy is probably amongst the worst government types for developing countries because poor and uneducated populace becomes an easy target for populists that will run country into the ground.
 

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They are trapped in one hell of a negative cycle really

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India's savings rate is close to 30%, which is not bad. Is it not being leveraged properly?

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Honestly, democracy is probably amongst the worst government types for developing countries because poor and uneducated populace becomes an easy target for populists that will run country into the ground.

This. Democracy is the biggest scam sold by the west to the third world.

Taiwan, SK, Japan (Meiji, US Occupation), Singapore, China, Germany (Bismark, US occuption) all did their "catch-up" to middle-high income status under authoritarian / semi-authoritarian rule.

The exceptions were US and GB, two countries that were blessed with the best geographical situations amongst their peers.
 

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India's savings rate is close to 30%, which is not bad. Is it not being leveraged properly?

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This. Democracy is the biggest scam sold by the west to the third world.

Taiwan, SK, Japan (Meiji, US Occupation), Singapore, China, Germany (Bismark, US occuption) all did their "catch-up" to middle-high income status under authoritarian / semi-authoritarian rule.

The exceptions were US and GB, two countries that were blessed with the best geographical situations amongst their peers.
They had democracy but without universal suffrage if im not mistaken.
 

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Airbus and Boeing reluctant to build airplane assembly lines in India.
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Jyotiraditya Scindia said conditions were ripe for a "leap of faith" by both jetmakers.

"The market is there, the volume is there, the engineering talent is there. And then you take that leap of faith. So the time has come now."
For now, both Airbus and Boeing appear to have resisted India's calls for civil final assembly lines (FAL), while playing up existing investments in engineering, supply chain and maintenance. Boeing said it buys $1 billion a year in parts and services from India, while Airbus said it buys $700 million.



This... This might actually be doable, with the accelerating rate at which US infrastructure is collapsing.
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"I am confident that India's highways will be on par will be on par with that of the US by 2024."
Finally, a realistic development goal for India!
 
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India's savings rate is close to 30%, which is not bad. Is it not being leveraged properly?

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It isn't really enough for the aspirations that it has for itself. For comparison China's is 45% and was around 50% when it had a GDP similar to india of today. Add to that incompetence, corruption, funds used for political appeasement which are non productive in the long term etc and much isn't left
 

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This. Democracy is the biggest scam sold by the west to the third world.

Taiwan, SK, Japan (Meiji, US Occupation), Singapore, China, Germany (Bismark, US occuption) all did their "catch-up" to middle-high income status under authoritarian / semi-authoritarian rule.

The exceptions were US and GB, two countries that were blessed with the best geographical situations amongst their peers.
While I might agree with the sentiments but there's a lot of nuances that one must consider.
1. Almost all the countries you mentioned are quite homogenic ( I know there's 50 minorities in China and their total number would be more than 100 million along with quite a lot of differences between the hans itself like hakka but still). If not culturally then atleast they have a written language that unites 80-90% of the country ( phonetic pronounciation may vary). India's biggest spoken language is Hindi( which itself has too many variations like bhojpuri,maithili etc) doesn't even cover half the country despite the biggest two states UP Bihar lying in that region. Geographically it might span 30-40% at max.
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2. You are also forgetting the us help and aid many of these countries received( with the exception of China and maybe Singapore. Don't know about taiwan, you may tell me about the if usa helped taiwan)
3. And while these countries clearly industrialised while being authoritarian but there is a survivorship bias there. Plenty of countries in Africa being run by dictatorship, they aren't publishing world beating growth. Myanmar fell to military coup a few years ago, they aren't growing at 10% + rate are they. Number of SEA countries have had military coups ( thailand etc.) They aren't the powerhouse similar to sk, Japan etc. Portugal was until 1974 a dictatorship, there wages are extremely low and they arent a powerhouse due to their authoritarianism in western circles.
Plenty of coups and dictators in South America happened too( I know there was huge role of usa but besides that) and they weren't developed during those reigns..

All I am trying to say is governing a nation is complex and it's naive to just say that if we were to switch from one form to another we miraculously would develop.
 
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