Indian Economics Thread II

[SanWenYu]

You are right if we think of globlization and free market , but globlization is dying and market access for Chinese technology in west is decreasing due to sanction. Time will come when USA will sanction on mobile phone too and they will deplatform and stop google services that will kill Chinese mobile. Chinese mobile can switch to harmony OS, but sanction will be on Chinese software and high tech technology which will not help them to allow market access in west even Chinese software will get banned in india. This will force Chinese mobile companies to close their factory in india and sell it but with Android and google services which they won't get. You have to see from this perspective too, globlization is dead. This will only allow all these Mobile phones companies to become Indian and india can sell to west and buy chips from USA or south korea because low level of electronics manufacturing is already happening in india and this investment from Chinese companies will only expand production of more electronics.

Chinese mobile companies and software companies have no long term future in india. So it makes Chinese companies really naive, Chinese social media won't succeed too if USA deplatform them.
Social media depends on users . That's why despite tiktok being popular but instagram have more followers, just look at users from india in youtube, FB, and instagram, if tiktok wasn't banned in india then it's user could have easily doubled from current number of users.

We were debating your hypothesis that the Indians can learn from the Chinese companies operating in India. Why do you start talking about globalization dying and whether the Chinese tech companies will have a future or not?

Chinese companies succeeded through IP stealing from western tech companies and through forced technology transfer by not allowing companies to open their factory without mandatory Joint venture and by allowing china to join WTO in 2001 despite china was not free market economy because it still had command economy portion but still USA brought china into WTO.

Craps not even worth refuting.

 

[Biscuits]

USA brought China into WTO hoping they can get rich off China like they stole entire native land & other countries oil, other resources. Don't whine that someone schooled your little master on their own game without colonization. Besides the so called successful Indians always become successful when they leave the British left over colony. It must be very painful for you helplessly watching someone smashing your Western master's...should I say azz? Or rules based order as you like to call it?

USA didn't bring China into shit. Nobody ever signed an international law where it said WTO was America's organization. China entered WTO because it wanted to, due to having a large government sector that could be transformed into a large civilian gdp.

If China didn't enter WTO they could make their own WTO.

The problem of indians is that they do not understand the need to invest in the fundamental sciences.

When China exited the cold war, they had due to persistent state driven research already every foundational technology. These just needed to be transferred to the civilian sector.

As an example, China started it's 5th generation program in the 1990s, before it ever "opened up", so where would it have stolen any technology when it didn't have any connection with the west at all? America claims stolen tech yet WTO never ruled a single time in their favor of those claims. Claims of theft that don't hold up in court are called libel.

If it was so easy to steal tech then why did only ever a singular country succeed with it? How come India despite inheriting so much from the British were unable to steal even a basic amount of tech?

In reality American claims are based of nazist white solidarity principles where they think a "white" invention such as trains or cars are the exclusive property of white nations or something. Obviously this is not international law. China didn't steal tech more than Germany stole any tech by making their own designs of trains and tanks despite British originally inventing those.

@Overlord unless you have any legal proof whatsoever of such psuedo factual nonsense, you should delete the post, given that it is about as factual as ww2 myths about Jews eating babies.

 

[Bellum_Romanum]

Lol and Indian companies don't do forced transfer of technology? Why is it forced when the western companies had A CHOICE to operate in China or not. They knew they could make money and ASSUMED THAT THEY (WESTERN VULTURES) COULD AND would continue expanding, exploiting supposed Chinese naiveté through American indoctrination of CPC leadership and cultural exposures to American brand both social and political thereby creating the government American elites always imagined China going to be like: An American client state put in place to serve, placate the needs of American parasitic corporations. Unfortunately for them, China has been around the block a few years or so and have been a country, a civilization long before America came into its modern existence, when their literal selves were still in their forefathers ball sack. Indians love to repeat accusations about "ALLEGED CHINA STEALING IP, forced transfer of tech" ad nauseum without providing any objective evidence to these claims. You folks love to repeat the western lies as truth which essentially tries to diminish and delegitmize Chinese entrepreneurial innovations and accomplishments that frankly speaking results speak for itself. Not to mention, if China did steal all those American critical technologies by the supposed technologically backward Chinese, how then did they manage to crack those techs that are protected behind one of the most sophisticated HIGH SECURITY money can buy. Is American security that weak then? Or Chinese had a much robust hacking capability and technology? hmm...but that would imply that China has advanced technology in areas U.S. couldn't stop. Side note: it seems that the new update on Brave mobile browser is a little buggy which caused the post I made to be this messy and f..d up.

TO ANY OF THE MODS HERE: PLEASE DELETE MY PRIOR POSTS ABOVE THIS IF POSSIBLE. Thank you kindly.

 

[MortyandRick]

Chinese companies succeeded through IP stealing from western tech companies and through forced technology transfer by not allowing companies to open their factory without mandatory Joint venture and by allowing china to join WTO in 2001 despite china was not free market economy because it still had command economy portion but still USA brought china into WTO.

Such BS. Can't take you seriously with this lies. Where the IP from Indian companies? Right cause they have none. Your bitterness in seeing bian surpass India even though they India was more ahead in the 1960s, is very telling

Btw Indian companies don't have the skills to steal IP but they just get their government to steal foreign countries money that's all with bogus claims. That's why so many companies have left India.

 

[xypher]

Such BS. Can't take you seriously with this lies. Where the IP from Indian companies? Right cause they have none. Your bitterness in seeing bian surpass India even though they India was more ahead in the 1960s, is very telling

Btw Indian companies don't have the skills to steal IP but they just get their government to steal foreign countries money that's all with bogus claims. That's why so many companies have left India.

That little Jai Hind is getting desperate. He is afraid that his "supapowa" won't be able to jump into the sailing globalization ship before the robotics kick in and will forever remain the land of slumdog millionaires (Ambanis and the like) with average Indian having one of the worst standards of living in the world. That's not even mentioning the climate change which will make a good chunk of India uninhabitale due to heat waves and drowning. Indians should really stop worrying about China so much when their country is existing on a borrowed time.

If Jai Hinds like him were able to actually spend time working rather than talking trash on the Internet, then maybe they wouldn't be a laughing stock producing cope videos like this while consistently overpromising and underdelivering - from the notorius "supapowa by X" to export goods like vaccines:

 

[Chevalier]

This video is highly instructive of the Indian psyche: jealousy and a desire for sexual domination of light skinned peoples. It's basically a variation of 'show bobs and vagene'.

According to history, it appears the only groups that have managed to profit from the Indian market have been conquerors and colonisers, be it the Timurids or the British. Then and again, Ming China still had to enact police action to ensure stability and trade.

 

[siegecrossbow]

This video is highly instructive of the Indian psyche: jealousy and a desire for sexual domination of light skinned peoples. It's basically a variation of 'show bobs and vagene'.

According to history, it appears the only groups that have managed to profit from the Indian market have been conquerors and colonisers, be it the Timurids or the British. Then and again, Ming China still had to enact police action to ensure stability and trade.

Beggars and janitors are sexual???

 

[Chevalier]

Beggars and janitors are sexual???

It's the Freudian power play at work here: submissive light skinned caucasoids to satiate the indian ego; why does the filmmaker make a big point of having caucasoid labourers fighting amongst themselves for indian business? It's like a dwarf needing a prostitute to call him "my giant of lannister". You don't see such putdowns in Chinese films projecting the future, Chinese films like The Wandering Earth show international cooperation.
Or why anglo hollywood media consistently denigrates Asian men because white anglos know the Chinese civilisation can break anglo hegemony.

 

[Bellum_Romanum]

Indian semiconductor

 

[mossen]

Indian tech twitter now suspecting Chinese moles responsible for India's slow innovation drive.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1609831922393550848