india finally gives information that it has leased a akula

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One cannot discount that always, since the time of the first November class sub was launched in the early fifties, Soviet subs have always accounted for nuclear warfare. As a matter of fact, even before the days of SLBM, subs like the November class intended to deliver a nuclear warhead through a long range torpedo, into coastal cities like New York.
 

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Project 949 doesen't actually have a VLS for the Granit, but fixed tubes angled more or less near 45 degree. In Kirov class cruisers and in Kuznetsov the tubes are similary angled and actually have to be filled with water before launch. The launching method is directly taken from the pr. 949 underwaterlaunching method without adopting it to the surface launching.

Only VLS system for non ballistic missiles which soviets fielded was the triple VLS launcher for the Onix fitted for one pr. 06704 class (modified Charlie) for testing purpose. I don't know exactly wheter the system is the same intended for the pr. 885 Severodvinsk
 

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that's interesting. Can this thing actually be launched from akula?

It looks like from this article
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that sagarika is the one ready for test launch in 2008.

well the sagarika was tested as part of a series of tests involving prithvi missiles but this was never disclosed but the sagarika launch was detected by us spy satellites in 2006.and the launch was confirmed only this year along with the nirbhay cruise missile programme.

the sagarika was designed for the atv which is based on the servodinisk class ssbn contrary to earlier reports that it was based on the charlie class.but can be launched from 650mm torpedo tubes

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well the sagarika was tested as part of a series of tests involving prithvi missiles but this was never disclosed but the sagarika launch was detected by us spy satellites in 2006.and the launch was confirmed only this year along with the nirbhay cruise missile programme.

the sagarika was designed for the atv which is based on the servodinisk class ssbn contrary to earlier reports that it was based on the charlie class.but can be launched from 650mm torpedo tubes

additional report on the disclosure can be found here

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idrw is a rubbish source. Severodvinsk is not a ballistic sub, it's an attack sub. Considering that none has been built, it would be kind of hard to base your design on it. And India doesn't have the technology to build a sub that large anyhow. All evidences point to charlie class. Just be hopeful that the ATV reactor doesn't have too many safety problems that seem to plague all Russian/Chinese subs.
 

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idrw is a rubbish source. Severodvinsk is not a ballistic sub, it's an attack sub. Considering that none has been built, it would be kind of hard to base your design on it. And India doesn't have the technology to build a sub that large anyhow. All evidences point to charlie class. Just be hopeful that the ATV reactor doesn't have too many safety problems that seem to plague all Russian/Chinese subs.

well i dont know whether the reports of atv being based on Severodvinsk is actually true but there a number of sources confirming this.the russians seem to have to transferred the entire design to india.


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Advance Technology Vessels (ATV)

The indigenous nuclear submarine programme, designated as advance technology vessels (ATV), has been under way for almost two decades. It has made some progress, though unsatisfactory. The ATV submarine is expected to be of 4,000 ton displacement, and four to five such vessels are to be built. 42 According to the Russian Defence Ministry's official newspaper, Krasnaya Zevezda, Russia is assisting India in building a nuclear submarine. The vessel is a copy of the new Russian Severodvinsk class attack submarine, currently under construction in Severodvinsk. It will be outfitted with a PWR reactor of 190 MW output. 43 According to Jane's Defence Weekly, the PWR will use 20 per cent enriched uranium, the same as used in second generation Russian submarines. 44 There are reports to suggest that the reactor is being developed at the Bhabha Atomic Research Centre, Trombay with its assembly likely to be done at Kalpakkam, Chennai. 45 There are also other reports to indicate that India is planning to lease a Russian SSN to help bolster the development of the ATV. 46 As regards the weapons, the ATV vessel is expected to host either the Yahont anti-ship cruise missile (designed by NPO Mashinostroyeniya) with a range of 300 km or the indigenous Sagarika



but regarding leakage problems i doubt that india's atv will have much success since the chinese too had problems with their first subs .maybe they can improve later through modficaton's.

i stand corrected the Severodvinsk is a ssn :)
 

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well i dont know whether the reports of atv being based on Severodvinsk is actually true but there a number of sources confirming this.the russians seem to have to transferred the entire design to india.


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Advance Technology Vessels (ATV)

The indigenous nuclear submarine programme, designated as advance technology vessels (ATV), has been under way for almost two decades. It has made some progress, though unsatisfactory. The ATV submarine is expected to be of 4,000 ton displacement, and four to five such vessels are to be built. 42 According to the Russian Defence Ministry's official newspaper, Krasnaya Zevezda, Russia is assisting India in building a nuclear submarine. The vessel is a copy of the new Russian Severodvinsk class attack submarine, currently under construction in Severodvinsk. It will be outfitted with a PWR reactor of 190 MW output. 43 According to Jane's Defence Weekly, the PWR will use 20 per cent enriched uranium, the same as used in second generation Russian submarines. 44 There are reports to suggest that the reactor is being developed at the Bhabha Atomic Research Centre, Trombay with its assembly likely to be done at Kalpakkam, Chennai. 45 There are also other reports to indicate that India is planning to lease a Russian SSN to help bolster the development of the ATV. 46 As regards the weapons, the ATV vessel is expected to host either the Yahont anti-ship cruise missile (designed by NPO Mashinostroyeniya) with a range of 300 km or the indigenous Sagarika



but regarding leakage problems i doubt that india's atv will have much success since the chinese too had problems with their first subs .maybe they can improve later through modficaton's.

i stand corrected the Severodvinsk is a ssn :)

you are posting sources from 1998
this seems far more valid to me
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although personally, what i read in the past is that the reactor is 90 MW in power.
There are just too much evidences against this Yasen class speculation, I don't think I need to go further into it.
 

coolieno99

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This is pretty exciting news for India. India is taking a really strange approach in regards to tech purchaches. Or at least strange to me. I wonder how they plan to integrate all of this mix and match tech into a viable strategy. I'm sure they can, it will just take some ingenuity on their part.

Still, this is a great sub and should give its regional "competitors" a real run for their money.

Agreed. Politics in Asia can get very complicated.

World News Desk – February 23, 2007 Posted/Updated: 2007-02-23 14:57:53

GEOPOLITICS Russia, China and India—Coalition to Offset U.S. International Dominance?

Last week, representatives from India, China and Russia met in New Delhi, India, for a summit to promote international peace and discuss energy and economic cooperation between their nations, which encompass approximately 40% of the world’s 6.5 billion people. The meeting was a continuation of the collaboration between the countries that formally started at a summit held in June 2005 in Vladivostok, Russia.
Present at last week’s summit were Indian External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and Foreign Minister Li Xhaoxing from China.
Minister Mukherjee said, “India, Russia, and China, as countries with growing international influence, can make substantive contributions to global peace, security, and stability.”
Mr. Lavrov stated that cooperation “rather than confrontation should govern approaches to regional and global affairs.”
Chinese minister Li Xhaoxing stated, “We did talk about cooperation in the energy sector. All three economies are growing very fast and the potential for tripartite cooperation in trade and energy is vast.” He also confirmed that Iran and North Korea’s nuclear programs, rebuilding Afghanistan, and the war in Iraq were topics of conversation.
The three representatives issued the following in a joint statement at the conclusion of the summit: “Trilateral cooperation was not directed against the interests of any single country and was, on the contrary, intended to promote international harmony and understanding.”
The three countries fervently insisted that this meeting was not the genesis of a new coalition seeking to remedy an imbalance of power due to U.S. international policy.
However, they stressed a “strong commitment” to utilizing “multilateral diplomacy.” Analysts seem to agree that this is a thinly veiled threat in response to real or perceived unilateral actions of the United States in recent years.
As India, China and Russia enjoy economic growth and development never seen before in their nations, they appear to be growing a louder voice on the world scene—especially when it comes to America’s international policies.
Russian President Vladimir Putin has been highly critical of America’s policy on international affairs. Will this group of nations unite to pressure the United States economically? Will other nations do the same, attempting to balance the scales of global influence with the formation of another superpower?
Time will tell.
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