Do you guys think US + Nato + Japan + Korea + Taiwan + India + Russia would be capable to declare "No FLY ZONE" inside CHina ? ... I know it is non sense ... we are just talking about capability no politic
Sure, if they really wanted to they could. No question about it. any country vs the world will have to lose to the world, even the US.
AS OF NOW:
The current (as of this hour, today) equipment that might be used in a no-fly-zone would be:
1. J-10A/J-10B (yes, the J-10B has entered initial batch service): this will be an effective air defense fighter (especially the 4.5+ generation J-10B), perfect for air-to-air combats, BVR interceptions, or SEAD roles.
2. J-11B: This will be the heavy interceptor, with powerful radar, maneuverability, and pure power. It is also 8 times stealthier than the average Flanker. It will also be equipped with AESA very soon. There is also a rumor that a thrust vectoring engine has been tested on the J-11B.
3. JH-7A: This, with its jamming pods, could perform ECM operations as well as SEAD operations (loaded with YJ-91 missiles or YJ-12 missiles).
4. Type 051C/Type 052C destroyer: long-range air defense destroyers, capable of carrying state-of-the-art missiles and radar.
I don't disagree with those choices, but your reasoning is a bit off. I mean what does "state of the art" mean in relation to the roles they're meant to perform. It sounds like it's from a lockheed brochure or something...
Keep in mind what aircraft that are being deployed against country x, it must not degrade the PLAAFs capabilities too much at home.
Against a country like Libya, I think two dozen J-10As, an equal number of JH-7s, and a dozen flankers of any variant should be enough, while not draining the PLAAF capability at home too much. In addition, a number of H-6Ms, capable of carrying CJ-10K missiles and other smaller cruise missiles should also join the fleet to assist in precision bombing of radar and SAM stations if it ever comes to that. (I'm not including H-6Ks because they've only been in service for a few months and are probably not combat ready, and it's a similar situation for J-10Bs and we don't even know if they've entered service at all...)
Before any combat aircraft are deployed, a number of Y-8 GX type aircraft should fly around country x's airspace in ELINT and SIGINT roles, though how useful they'd be during a relatively small duration of time is unknown. Regardless a number of Y-8 GX aircraft should have constant patrol providing EW support and command and control.
In terms of AWACS, a round the clock patrol will need a good number of KJ-200s and/or KJ-2000s. If the PLAN are deploying in support then maybe 052C can assist in the early warning role with their powerful aesas. Also we have to factor in whether the AWACS have provision for aerial refuelling from H-6Us, which would extend their endurance a bit.
On that note, the PLAAF will probably have to give up a good fraction of its tanker and transport fleet for this kind of operation, and I wouldn't be surprised if they decide to convert larger numbers of H-6 during the period this "crisis" goes on for.
A "no fly zone" means that aircraft won't take off. Having YJ-83 missiles and AESA radar doesn't relate to that. Establishing a "no fly zone" means that all threats to ground- and sea-based have already been eliminated by cruise missiles (such as the CJ-10 or DH-10) and/or bombs.
Regarding the YJ-83 comment, I was saying that the 051C isn't that a great ship, when you said before that the 051C and 051D (I don't know what the hell an 051D is... I see no reason why the PLAN would be so desperate to fall back and develop a new destroyer using steam turbines either.
Type 051C is sufficient for air defense operations. Having one AESA radar is more than sufficient to suppress enemy air forces, especially with the ship's powerful countermeasures.
Didn't you just say AESAs didn't relate to no fly zones? And having one radar that faces backwards, giving only 180 degree coverage is pretty substandard if you ask me.
A newer upgraded version of the Type 052C (called the Type 052C+) has been recently launched. It features a completely new electronics suite and possibly radar. The Type 052C+ is also said to have 64 VLS launchers. Four Type 052C+ destroyers will be built by this year.
... Really? From everythign we've seen the 052C+ looks very similar to the 052C before. It might have made some adjustments to the electronics and interior but overall it looks the same and there's nothing to suggest more VLS cells either.
Type 052D and Type 051D are confirmed projects and have been expected for a long time. The question is when it will enter service and in what numbers.
I think the whole 051D thing started at Sinodefence.com where there was a sentence saying something about an "051D"... Nothing's materialized and there's no reason for PLAN to fall back to steam turbine technology. We've been expecting 052D, yes, for many years. We thought this latest batch of 052C/052C+ were going to be 052D but we're obviously wrong. Now people are saying once again that the real 052D will be expected in a few years, which I don't dispute. The real question is how much of an upgrade it is compared ot the 052C.
The WS-10G engine are the engines used on the J-20 prototype. It features stealthy jagged nozzles and radar-absorbent tiles.
There's a bit of controversy over what engines powered the J-20 prototype. We identified one as Al-31, and then the other which people are calling the "WS-10G"... Some believe the latter could just be a modified Al-31. I don't believe either claim at the moment.
And there's nothing which suggests this engine will be used on the J-10B, and nothing definitive to suggest it actually exists yet either.
The WS-15 engine made its first test in 2010 and is expected to power the J-20 production aircraft and possibly the J-10B. It is more powerful than the F-119 engine with a maximum afterburning thrust of 190 kN.
WS-15 is expected to power the J-20, yes I know. But it won't become available until 2015 in the most optimistic scenario... Do you think J-10Bs will only come into production beyond 2015?
Oh, you thought I was segregator 236 because of the photo, right? It's very popular on the internet right now.
No I thought you were segregator 236 because you said you'd asked huitong on the whole J-11BS precision strike thing a few weeks ago, and when I went onto huitong's site I saw a guy called "Bill" there who asked the questions you said you asked. And I know segregator 236's real name is bill, and he seemed to also hold similar stances on the PLAAF and PLA as you do (JH-7B, under development projects and descriptions of aircraft)... so two and two made four.
But if you're not segregator 236 then my apologies.
