How do you solve a problem like Somalia?
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The_Zergling
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How does it remind you of the rebellion? What sort of parallels are there?
I moved the last three post to this thread;
http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/world-armed-forces/modern-piracy-high-seas-4427.html
Let's keep the pirate discussion over there.
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http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/world-armed-forces/modern-piracy-high-seas-4427.html
Let's keep the pirate discussion over there.
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if ppl have jobs and money they wouldnt be joining the militants or becoming a pirate in the first place. the way i see it there is no practical solution. the best way is to force these pirates to join the warlords on land.
To keep this thread going, the Islamists in Somalia appear to go international to achieve their aims at home.
al-Shabab is claiming responsability for twin bomb blasts in Uganda. They want african peacekeepers out of Somalia, and there's a few nations in the region that have intervened in the conflict allready.
A new strategy looking for power-sharing with others, the more moderate Ahlu-Sunah, may bring some new stability.
Meanwhile, the other side also thinks about consolidating their position. The leaders of the two biggest militant groups held talks lately on how to cooperate.
And then, there's actually also a bright example of how things can go good. The brake away province of Somaliland just held peacefull and free elections, with a change of political power and no struggle whatsoever.
I guess it would be a good sign to finally recognize that country, or then again maybe not and just leave them alone with things going, relatively, well.
al-Shabab is claiming responsability for twin bomb blasts in Uganda. They want african peacekeepers out of Somalia, and there's a few nations in the region that have intervened in the conflict allready.
A new strategy looking for power-sharing with others, the more moderate Ahlu-Sunah, may bring some new stability.
Meanwhile, the other side also thinks about consolidating their position. The leaders of the two biggest militant groups held talks lately on how to cooperate.
And then, there's actually also a bright example of how things can go good. The brake away province of Somaliland just held peacefull and free elections, with a change of political power and no struggle whatsoever.
I guess it would be a good sign to finally recognize that country, or then again maybe not and just leave them alone with things going, relatively, well.
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ravenshield936
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i agree
use wt's effective and efficient, not ideal and unrealistic. forget western style democracy for now. when the time comes, we can think about it. thats my response from reading several ppl's posts up there. also, we shant have too much participation in their politics. it'd only backfire
use wt's effective and efficient, not ideal and unrealistic. forget western style democracy for now. when the time comes, we can think about it. thats my response from reading several ppl's posts up there. also, we shant have too much participation in their politics. it'd only backfire
Continuing here a little, the situation is potentially heating up, or maybe someone's just testing the ground for support. But with local militias now operating outside the country, surrounding nations will probably by worrying a lot more about Somalia becoming a hub for spreading violence in the region.
So the old pros and cons of intervention will come up again, if it's an african dominated intervention, it might come with some legitimacy, actually, also bolstering Africa's capability to act effectivle on things. Then again, I still think it will be difficult for all those countries to come together and act.
And of course, the action would have to be done in a competand manner. Ugandan troops directing artilley fire roughly in the direction of percieved rebel position in / close to a city isn't bolstering their position as a peace supporting / enforing party of course.
Plus, that internationally recognized government of Sharif Amed is probably not the most credible group of people to lead that state.
Museveni urges tough AU response in Somalia
By William Wallis in London - Published: July 15 2010 17:48 | Last updated: July 15 2010 19:29
The African Union should quadruple its peacekeeping force in Somalia and launch an “offensive” against the extremists behind this week’s bomb attacks in Uganda, the country’s president said on Thursday. [...]
A decision to increase its strength from about 5,000 troops to 8,000 had been taken before Sunday’s bombs [...]
To fight this al-Qaeda-affiliated group, Mr Museveni said 20,000 AU soldiers could be required. They would also need a more robust mandate.
“We are going to go on the offensive and go for all who did this in all areas starting here,” said Mr Museveni. “We were just in Mogadishu to guard the airport and the presidential palace. Now they have mobilised us to look for them ... I can assure you they have invited a lot of problems for themselves.”
Such fighting talk is typical of the Ugandan leader, who seized power in 1986 after waging a long guerrilla war. Mr Museveni, who will seek another term in next year’s elections, has won continued support from the west, partly by proving a reliable ally. [...]
Nigeria and Ghana, two countries that offered to deploy troops in Somalia, are thought unlikely to send them now. East African countries more immediately threatened by the prospect of Somalia forming a base for global jihad now have a powerful argument for intervention. Several experts said this could be counter-productive.
So the old pros and cons of intervention will come up again, if it's an african dominated intervention, it might come with some legitimacy, actually, also bolstering Africa's capability to act effectivle on things. Then again, I still think it will be difficult for all those countries to come together and act.
And of course, the action would have to be done in a competand manner. Ugandan troops directing artilley fire roughly in the direction of percieved rebel position in / close to a city isn't bolstering their position as a peace supporting / enforing party of course.
Plus, that internationally recognized government of Sharif Amed is probably not the most credible group of people to lead that state.
Museveni urges tough AU response in Somalia
By William Wallis in London - Published: July 15 2010 17:48 | Last updated: July 15 2010 19:29
The African Union should quadruple its peacekeeping force in Somalia and launch an “offensive” against the extremists behind this week’s bomb attacks in Uganda, the country’s president said on Thursday. [...]
A decision to increase its strength from about 5,000 troops to 8,000 had been taken before Sunday’s bombs [...]
To fight this al-Qaeda-affiliated group, Mr Museveni said 20,000 AU soldiers could be required. They would also need a more robust mandate.
“We are going to go on the offensive and go for all who did this in all areas starting here,” said Mr Museveni. “We were just in Mogadishu to guard the airport and the presidential palace. Now they have mobilised us to look for them ... I can assure you they have invited a lot of problems for themselves.”
Such fighting talk is typical of the Ugandan leader, who seized power in 1986 after waging a long guerrilla war. Mr Museveni, who will seek another term in next year’s elections, has won continued support from the west, partly by proving a reliable ally. [...]
Nigeria and Ghana, two countries that offered to deploy troops in Somalia, are thought unlikely to send them now. East African countries more immediately threatened by the prospect of Somalia forming a base for global jihad now have a powerful argument for intervention. Several experts said this could be counter-productive.
Really looks like the conflict in Somalia is getting hot now. While additional AU troops start to arrive in the country, al-Shabab fighters attacked army baracks and a hotel in Mogadishu, killing at least 30 people.
Al-Shabab has vowed to fight a massive, final war against invaders in the country.
Somalia also already seems to be part in a covert campaign by intel & security forces trying to fight al-Qaida affiliated factions throughout the middle east at least. With these latest developments, Somalia might come closer to the actual focal point, beisdes Pakistan, Yemen etc.
Piracy seems to be part of the whole picture here. Anybody knows something more about the relationship between al-Shabab and the local pirates? Are they mutually supportive?
Al-Shabab has vowed to fight a massive, final war against invaders in the country.
Somalia also already seems to be part in a covert campaign by intel & security forces trying to fight al-Qaida affiliated factions throughout the middle east at least. With these latest developments, Somalia might come closer to the actual focal point, beisdes Pakistan, Yemen etc.
Piracy seems to be part of the whole picture here. Anybody knows something more about the relationship between al-Shabab and the local pirates? Are they mutually supportive?
It's murky. Seems to me that at times some of the money from piracy ends up helping al Shabab, but most of the time they're independent. Al-Shabab are very similar in philosophy and practice to the Taliban, and the Taliban tended to shut down criminal groups of all kinds when they got into power.