Hong-Kong Protests

Jura The idiot

Jura The idiot

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related to Yesterday at 8:27 PM
Jura said:
as I've already said recently, He Who Pays The Piper Calls The Tune
NBA row heightens foreign companies’ fears they could cross China’s ever-shifting red lines as fallout from Rockets GM’s Hong Kong protest tweet continues
  • Firms are becoming increasingly worried that Beijing’s hardline approach means they will find themselves at the centre of a political storm
  • Business advisers warn that companies could land themselves in ‘incredible trouble’ when it is hard to know what will anger the government

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and previous NBA China related events,
now ticket pricing, Trump's and Pompeo's comments and so on inside, also this surreal picture:
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Game on for NBA’s LA Lakers and Brooklyn Nets in Shanghai as China says it’s still open for American business
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EDIT now see a ticket price also inside
Chinese fans tear up tickets to protest NBA game in Shanghai amid tweet backlash
Source:Global Times Published: 2019/10/10 23:48:40
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Chinese fans boycotted a controversial US National Basketball Association (NBA) game in Shanghai on Thursday by tearing up tickets they bought, others attended it but showed patriotism and expressed discontent with NBA at the sports center.

The game was between the Brooklyn Nets and Los Angeles Lakers at the 18,000-seat Mercedes-Benz Arena.

Six teenagers including one fan who preferred to be called "Jack" were distributing national flags to people as they were entering the center.

Jack told the Global Times he and his friends bought more than 10,000 flags and were handing them to spectators to show the NBA how "Chinese fans feel about their arrogant attitude."

A 19-year-old woman surnamed Zheng told the Global Times before entering the arena that she with a group of fans planned to sing Chinese national anthem before the game. "Although we love the players who are innocent and we really want to watch them play, but the fact is Hong Kong is part of China, and forever!" she said.

Some fans flocked to Shanghai from Hubei, Zhejiang and Shandong provinces in Lakers, Nets, Chinese national team - and even Rockets uniforms.

The protests came in response to a tweet last week by Houston Rockets general manager Daryl Morey in support of
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s, which seriously offended China's sovereignty and people's feelings.

NBA Commissioner Adam Silver backed Morey's "freedom of expression" and refused to apologize for Morey's stance.

Many Chinese mainland NBA fans uploaded videos on the country's Twitter-like Sina Weibo platform showing them tearing up their tickets and boycotting the NBA game in China.

User Liu Yang Cary posted himself saying "I bought the ticket for 16,000 yuan ($2,246) but I know clearly that I am a Chinese before I am a basketball fan."

Another user with a handle of Jiang Taigong Diaoyu posted a video saying "Compared to the national dignity and unity, NBA is just balls." He then tore up three tickets and pointed to "China" on his T-shirt.

The game was not aired in China as Chinese broadcasters and distribution partners suspended cooperation with the NBA amid the tweet backlash. Empty seats were visible during the game in a video clip posted on the NBA's official Weibo account.
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Brumby

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"The common law, rules of equity, ordinances, subordinate legislation and customary law shall be maintained."

You are the one who doesn't understand the facts. Declare the State of Emergency is different from invoking Emergency Regulations Ordinance. Section 2(1) within "Cap. 241 Emergency Regulations Ordinance implemented since 1922 and last amended by the Legislative Council in 1999. Stop trying to twist the facts and admit you have no idea about the Basic Law and can't differentiate the difference between the State of Emergency and Emergency Regulations Ordinance. Let me make it clear for you, the Emergency Regulations Ordinance was amended in 1999 which is after the handover. Carrie Lam hasn't bypass the Basic Law or undermining the rule of law but some is trying to twist the facts. It might work for someone who has no idea about the Basic Law but not someone who come from HK.
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Whilst you may be quoting Article 8 of the Basic law "The common law, rules of equity, ordinances, subordinate legislation and customary law shall be maintained."
you omitted to quote the full provision which include :
“… , except for any that contravene this Law, and subject to any amendment by the legislature of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region.”

Cap. 241 Emergency Regulations Ordinance is an archaic law that was enacted on February 28, 1922 and the amendments you referred to in 1999 was solely in respect of penalties with the original provisions untouched. There are two legal reasons as to whether the use of the Cap 241 ERO has constitutional mustard, viz
(1) use of Cap241 generally undermines the joint agreement as there is a Basic Law provisions to Emergency regulations; and
(2) it can be argued that Cap241 specifically contravene Article 8 of the Basic Law
Carrie Lam herself stated the following during the announcement that Hong Kong has not entered into a state of emergency
“Hong Kong is not in a state of emergency and we are not proclaiming that Hong Kong is entering a state of emergency. But we are indeed in an occasion of serious danger,”

Currently her use if the ERO is being legally challenged in the courts and we will have to wait for the judicial process to work through the system.

The merits of the case is decided by the courts and not whether you are from HK or not.
 
Brumby

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KYli said:
This is up to the administrator and the mods. It used to be allowed.
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It is irrelevant whether it was allowed before. The current rules is what matters.

KYli said:
If those are half truths and distorted facts, then you should have been able to easily rebuff them instead of using twisted facts.
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I am not not going to waste time engaging in generally non productive conversations which lead to nowhere
 
manqiangrexue

manqiangrexue

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Brumby said:
It is irrelevant whether it was allowed before. The current rules is what matters.



I am not not going to waste time engaging in generally non productive conversations which lead to nowhere
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That's funny because obviously, everything you say here is a waste of time, non productive and leads to nowhere. Hong Kong was robbed from China when China was at its weakest and Britain was at its strongest. China needs to respect nothing of the UK in Hong Kong or any other Chinese territories. If the UK finds that unacceptable, it can try to rob Hong Kong from China again and see what happens. If the Brits had an ounce of decency, they shouldn't have the face to stand in front of China and say anything on how to rule Hong Kong remembering the crimes they committed there.
 
Jura The idiot

Jura The idiot

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Brumby said:
... The current rules is what matters.



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without questioning any moderation, I wish to describe 'signs of our times' as I've seen them during last six SDF years:
  • at first, 2013 - ca. 2016, anti-China posts were relatively frequently appearing (accounts "Blackstone" and "FORBIN" immediately come to mind, though I later kept them on Ignore List) and either stayed or were removed together with responses (whole pages got deleted), and anti-West posts were chased by Jeff and bd popeye;
  • then, since ca. 2016, this was changing, and now anti-West posts are relatively frequently appearing
and? end of my post
 
manqiangrexue

manqiangrexue

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Jura said:
without questioning any moderation, I wish to describe 'signs of our times' as I've seen them during last six SDF years:
  • at first, 2013 - ca. 2016, anti-China posts were relatively frequently appearing (accounts "Blackstone" and "FORBIN" immediately come to mind, though I later kept them on Ignore List) and either stayed or were removed together with responses (whole pages got deleted), and anti-West posts were chased by Jeff and bd popeye;
  • then, since ca. 2016, this was changing, and now anti-West posts are relatively frequently appearing
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Wow, this coincides with the charts that I posted showing rapid decline of global public opinion of the USA and elevation in global opinion of China and to some extent, Russia right around 2016. What happened in 2016... Hmmm Obama left office and... LOL
 
Xizor

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It is not without evidence that many posters here point to specific countries as the reason for the HK protests.
If that is "Country Bashing" then what isn't "country bashing" ? Isn't this whole thread China "bashing" ?
I've not seen many posts attack a specific country in this thread. There has been instances BUT it never was toxic and over-the-top. What may be construed as "country bashing" may simply be the commenting on "evidences" that may put a bad spotlight, due to the activities of some state backed actors, on some nations.

Isn't claiming that the Chinese fighter jets are reliant on russian engines a "country bashing" of China ? It is indeed. That doesn't mean one cannot discuss the Chinese progress or lack thereof on getting up a reliable engine manufacturing base.

Both US (through NED) and UK ( through certain parliament member positions) may come under negative light in the "HK Protest" issue. There certainly is "country bashing" to point out for those who are very sensitive to that. Many members have, noticing unfairness in media reporting of the west, commented on how the "west" is indirectly (or directly) making the situations worse.
Is there a different way to point out this "seemingly fair but certainly biased" reporting out without coming off as "West Bashing" ?
There has been no racial,ethnic, cultural etc attacks on any one. If there is a better way to present things or post stuff without seemingly bashing countries, then do have the spine/courtesy to enlighten the other members.

Bashing the CCP is bashing China. So, some people like to project and has engaged in country bashing as much as anyone.

All threads have to be closed one day. This thread has to be closed too. Now that i think about it...Why not ?
 
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Xsizor said:
Bashing the CCP is bashing China. So, some people like to project and has engaged in country bashing as much as anyone.
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Your statement is an example of why I considered it unproductive to engage in a conversation because it is not logical or factual but simply emotional. Yours is not an exception but typical representation where emotions are predominant rather than logic or fact.

"Bashing the CCP is bashing China" is your perception but is not grounded in logic or fact. Your statement lacks truth values. In logic, the CCP is a political entity and China is a country. In logic, they are different entities even if your perception is driven by an emotional attachment. They are not the same. In fact, the CCP has approx. 90 million plus members as contrast to China which has a population in excess of 1.4 billion Chinese. CCP's representation is less than 7 %. That said, because China's political system is a one party state, China's policies are a by product of the CCP. My issue as with others like minded is with the CCP's policies and not China per se. That is a distinction that you are unable to make because you are driven by emotions rather than logic or fact

It is a distinctive point that if you care to remember I specifically made in post #1934 which you were included even though it was not directed to you. This was what I said.
"However do note that in many conversations and in the HK protest, there is a distinction made between contesting the actions of the CCP as opposed to against the people of China. Even Bannon in that interview clearly referenced to CCP. Those HK people who opposed the extradition bill and the associated demands simply do not trust the CCP' as its actions.are always party ahead of the country and that includes HK"
 
Xizor

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The only one who is hell bent on derailing this thread from the original topic is you
@Brumby.
You sincerely do want this thread closed. The desperation to see that the thread, which was intended to be one for "bashing China", but turned into something of an anti-rioter material catalogue, is quite palpable.

OH, and Bannon and You are engaging in the third step for Attacking China that I mentioned earlier. Pretty sure you've read that. Don't need to recycle and regurgitate it.

"Bashing CCP is indeed bashing China."
 
Brumby

Brumby

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Xsizor said:
The only one who is hell bent on derailing this thread from the original topic is you
@Brumby.
You sincerely do want this thread closed. The desperation to see that the thread, which was intended to be one for "bashing China", but turned into something of an anti-rioter material catalogue, is quite palpable.

OH, and Bannon and You are engaging in the third step for Attacking China that I mentioned earlier. Pretty sure you've read that. Don't need to recycle and regurgitate it.

"Bashing CCP is indeed bashing China."
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Your reply just reinforces what I had said being unproductive in engaging because you are just repeating a statement as if repetition increases its truth values.
 
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