H-20 bomber (with H-X, JH-XX)

Heliox

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If we look at the geography of the USA there is an ocean of water to its west and east. There are 2 very weak nations to the north and south. There are No military threats anywhere within a 4,000 km radius of its borders. Because of this the US military can focus 100% on long distance power projection and ignore short range defense.

China has an "opposite" geography.
There's at least a half a dozen nations, relatively close by, that can potentially become hostile in a future war.
It makes no sense to be preoccupied with the idea of running 12,000 km across the Pacific ocean to hit a long distance target when you literally have a half a dozen rivals that can hamstring your efforts before you even reach 4,000 km out.

This part is absolutely spot on. Except the last sentence ...

I don't understand the fascination some people have with "hitting" the USA.
How come there isn't a fascination with China convincing all the east Asians nations to turn their backs away from the USA and instead chose military neutrality? If China succeeds in this, then the USA loses its military influence in Asia and must compete on its economic merit which we all know isn't very good these days.

Because it's not a binary, this or that only thing. The idea that one can pursue multiple goals seems to blow people's minds.

Yes, China should concentrate on undermining US sphere of influence at the doorstep.
Doesn't mean it cannot pursue, simultaneously, options for if/when things go kinetic with the US.

Not being able to reach out and touch the CONUS means any fight will be asymmetric and the US will very happily fight to the last Japan/Korean/Taiwanese/Philippino from the safety of their home sanctum. The moment they start getting hit at home, public opinion at home will change and that puts domestic pressure on the US Government to disengage from a fight that is not theirs.
 

MeiouHades

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Is there a plan for H-6 retirement at all? I mean, what are they even used for anymore? To my knowledge they haven't been heavily upgraded either. Could they be sold?
 

ENTED64

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Is there a plan for H-6 retirement at all? I mean, what are they even used for anymore? To my knowledge they haven't been heavily upgraded either. Could they be sold?
They have been upgraded, that's why there's you know the new variants like H-6N and H-6K and the latest variants are still in production so retirement of the overall platform isn't coming any time soon. As for what they are used for, well what bombers are typically used for, delivering ordinance, in this case mostly missiles. You can make a case that most of that mission can be better handled by something like J-16 but H-6 is a cost effective proven platform and for some stuff like ALBM those might be too big for J-16. So H-6 is definitely not going anywhere for at least another decade or two.
 

lcloo

Major
Is there a plan for H-6 retirement at all? I mean, what are they even used for anymore? To my knowledge they haven't been heavily upgraded either. Could they be sold?
Interesting fact on old long life bombers.

TU-16's maiden flight was in 1952, 73 years ago
B-52's first flight was in 1955, 70 years ago.

They (H6K/J/N and B-52) might still be flying for at least another 10-15 years. Introduction of H20 in future will not be the excuse to retire H6s. Each have their own places.
 

vincent

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Is there a plan for H-6 retirement at all? I mean, what are they even used for anymore? To my knowledge they haven't been heavily upgraded either. Could they be sold?
The H-6K and H-6N are newly manufactured. They are cheap to produce and cheap to maintain. Supposedly they have very high availability and they can be cheap cruise missile carriers that get launched outside of enemy air defense bubbles.
 

wuguanhui

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While the U.S. does have the ability t o hit the Chinese with our bombers and the Chinese do not with regard to the CONUS, this ability comes with a very big string attached. Today, we have interests in Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and the Philippines. The moment a fleet of bombers start attacking China, we stand to lose all these areas. The asymmetry of power in the Western Pacific in favor of China constrains the hands of the U.S., making these bombers useless when it comes to attacking mainland China. I agree with others that developing the H-20 is lower in priority as the Chinese rightly focus on first and second island chains.

This. China needs the ability to visit strategic levels of devastation on countries hosting US military bases near China. Check the amount of bombs the US casually uses in their bombing campaigns, you need enough to make Japan look like Iraq. Ballistic missiles will not suffice.

Re a bombing campaign vs CONUS, you may as well just use ICBMs. I don't consider it realistic unless they are carrying nukes.
 

Nautilus

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This. China needs the ability to visit strategic levels of devastation on countries hosting US military bases near China. Check the amount of bombs the US casually uses in their bombing campaigns, you need enough to make Japan look like Iraq. Ballistic missiles will not suffice.

Re a bombing campaign vs CONUS, you may as well just use ICBMs. I don't consider it realistic unless they are carrying nukes.
There are plenty of targets on CONUS that you can prosecute with a relatively small amount of munitions. Ships in dock, aircraft on land, ammo depots... each loss will be felt keenly due to US' ailing industrial backbone.
 

Deino

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Guys ... can we PLEASE STOP this constant WAR-TALK on what target should would and could be targeted?

Let's focus on the H-20 as a type and system and discuss this WHEN it is revealed ... therefore, when there is nothing concrete to discuss but only what-if-scenarios and WW3 talk, then better do not post! At least NOT in this thread.

I'm again considering to close it until hard facts or at least credible rumours are being posted by the usual credible guys, but anything else again and again MUST END!
 
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